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http://sayanythingblog.com/index.php Here’s John Kerry speaking while sitting just a few feet away from Mohammad Khatami, the former President of the Iranian terror state
The Bush administration walked away from Kyoto? Methinks the Senator is revising history:
It was a unanimous Senate (with five abstainers) as well as the Clinton administration who walked away from Kyoto. The current administration walked away from Kyoto as well, but for the same reasons as the Clinton administration. Kerry himself, in fact, voted for the Byrd-Hagel Resolution to keep us out of Kyoto. Yet here he is now, a decade later, dishonestly accusing the current administration of isolating this country from the world on an issue like Kyoto that Kerry himself opposed for the very same reasons the Bush administration opposes it
Why should we believe anything that comes out of this guy’s mouth? It’s bad enough that he’s sitting next to one of America’s enemies bad mouthing his own country, but he’s flat-out lying in what he’s saying as well
Oh, and stopping off to give an autograph to a guy who supports executing gays for being gay is a real nice touch. But don’t expect any of the gay rights groups to hold Kerry accountable for that, though 
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JOHN KERRY HAS BEEN GROOMED SINCE CHILDHOOD TO BRING ABOUT A WORLD ORDER!
ALL PEOPLES SHOULD EARN THEIR DAILY PAY AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE ACTIONS AND THE ACTIONS OF THEIR CHILDREN! IF PEOPLE WHOULD WORRY MORE AND DO MORE FOR THERE IMMEDIATE FAMILY ALL OVER THE WORLD WELFARE, AID, GRANTS, SUBSIDIES, UNEMPLOYMENT, KICK BACKS ETC,ETC IMAGINE SARANDON, ROBBINS, FONDA AND GLOVER LIVING IN SMALL COLLECTIVE HOUSING, WAITING IN LINE FOR FOOD STAMPS AND LOW SOCIALIST GIVEAWAYS AMONG THE MASSES WHERE NOBODY GIVES A HOOT WHAT THEY THINK. I THINK THEY WOULD CONSIDER THEIR CHOICES MORE CAREFULLY.
INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL!!! MIKE DAVIS
This could be any year between 1970 and 2007.
John Kerry betrayed his fellow soldiers for personal gain and aggrandizement, now he is betraying his country.
The voters clearly understood his lack of character and integrity and voted against him for good cause.
He and Jimmy Carter another failed individual make a great team.
These "people" make me sick.
It would be nice if Kerry took his wife's millions and move overseas.
Secondly, our President is leading a war of aggression against Iraq. Hitler's cohorts were found guilty for leading such war against other Nations. There is no denying the fact that this war of aggression was solely based on lies told the public by the White House.
My message would further suggest he go suck a bottle of ketchup!
What a total misguided jerk!
Of course he lies, but that is how his real positions are discovered. He is not running for President in 2008 because he doesn't want the job. He knows he couldn't get elected now that most Americans have seen his true values.
It is Kerry and Fonda again, two old communists at their "down with America" tirade. If you are surprised, you haven't been keeping in touch.
I think that there needs a through investigation into his Vietnam background and all the statements that he has made that border on the edge of treason.(personal opinion). Every time he opens his mouth there is a problem. No wonder he sat by himself in IRAQ. Why do the people of Mass keep voting this creep into office.
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a
crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.""This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.""If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
Who in their right mind would listen to anything he has to say. He should leave the USA since he believes we are the World pariahs. To call him a traitor would be to compliment him.
After your country bashing and your outright lies regarding Kyoto I thought that I'd offer you an opportunity to say just those things directly to me. Then we'll see what kind of a vet you are, what kind of a war hero you purport to be when I have the opportunity to rebut your vicious lies, distortions and filth.
Just ask me and I'll meet you anywhere.
R
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Mark Collins
Niagara Falls, ON
mcollins6@sympatico.ca
Iraq
Kerry is a walking blooper reel. He's a typical 'do as I say, not as I do' liberal who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. ANYBODY that takes this guy seriously as an intelligent member of society (let alone government) should have their heads examined.
The guy just is not a positive thinker capable of productive action, and is perhaps the only more partisan creature in the Democratic party than Hilary Clinton.
Barack puts them both to shame. Productive, encompassing, and intelligent.
Kerry intellectual defecits were pointed out years ago by his professors at Yale who failed him repeatedly in course after course anfter cours.
Nancy should say something to him anyone.
The US is a pariah....a joke....a very dangerous ******* at the wheel. THAT is reality.
Kerry technically never said this:
“When _we_ walk away from global warming, Kyoto, when we are irresponsibly slow in moving toward AIDS in Africa, when we don’t advance and live up to our own rhetoric and standards, we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy,”
He is certainly implying it, in the way all politicians attempt to smear their opponents while leaving enough technical ambiguity to weasel out of any concrete factual statement. But building strawmen provides too much ammunition to counter-argument, especially when just presenting the truth is sufficiently damaging.
Mike
If somebody doesn't like it,they should shut up and live with it!
it's contemptible of many of these nations who depend on the U.S. for their safety in the world to bite the hand that feeds them. Ponder this: if the U.S. suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth, but everything else remained the same, how would all of these nations feel? Scared as hell would be my guess.
He has the medals to prove it
Hillary aint a leftest either
mess . Bush doesn't know what to do now.
I don't see any true Heroes right now/ Maybe Guiliani ? Maybe Clinton. Time will tell.
I could care less if anyone outside of the US likes us. We could stop all cash tribute, support, security and a compete embargo and see if that helps get their greedy little hearts in the right place.
Since the enemy respects the fact of total annihilation....we don't seem to be getting any further attacks from the outside. However, we do seem to have more than enough cynics from the inside that are supporting the enemy's positions for nothing more than personal gain.
I listened to some grunts speaking their mind about nay-saying politicians...the common theme was "just shuddup and we'll tell you when we're done."
Why is Iran a terror state? Because the only way it has to defend itself is to talk tough to the US to keep them at bay, which seems to be working. Maybe you call them a terror state because they're muslim? Or because they think differently? Maybe it's because they call themselves a democracy like we do, but really are not, like we are not. If we were, Gore would have been president 6 years ago and today, we probably wouldn't have invaded a soverign country. Or maybe you call them a terror state because they meddle in foreign affairs...like us? Because they execute their prisoners...like us. Maybe they're a terror state because the government does not abide by the will of the people, but, of course, we wouldn't know anything about that one, right?
Oh, and by the way, Mohammad Katami was actually the best ally in Iran that we had. He pushed for more social reforms than any head of state in Iran since the revolution. He brought us extremely close to having friendly diplomatic relations with them before Bush II showed up and robbed the American people of their Presidential choice on a technicality. Now we're trying to put out fires all over the world with a military that's stretched thin and tired out.
Sure, call me a liberal. The fact is, I'm conservative and that probably scares you. I'm not angry at anybody and don't have any enemies. I just happen to really not like the direction our once-great nation is going in.
There is no doubt what side he is on.President Bush once said,"You are either with us or with the terrorists".
In a time of war, with an enemy that wants America wiped off the face of the earth regardless of who is in the majority in Washington,
he is a disgrace to any person who loves freedom.Senator Kerry
is a dangerous man,and the best fried a terrorist could hope to have.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8511080271
Perhaps next Kerry is going to quote Ahmadenijad approvingly.
Who paid for the finely coiffed Senator from MA to attend the Davos Conference? I noticed within another report on the meet that the cost of attendance was $28,000. I hope John paid his own way, but given the manner in which he has come by his affluence, I suspect the US taxpayer picked up to tab, only to have him demean his country before the eyes of representatives from nations that, in times past, couldn't, figuratively speaking of course, find their own rear ends, with both hands, in a well lit room. What do the citizens of MA find irresistable about him?
(ex-Bostonian here)
He hates America and everything it stands for. No where did I see him condemn the actions in Iraq where American soldiers were taken hostage handcuffed then executed in an large American SUV. He would probably condemn our building the SUV and causing global warming in the Middle East or go on a rant about Abu Gharab.
He is an embarrassemnt as are all the liberal hierarchy.
It is clear to me, and many others in this country, that you are educated beyond your intelligence. As a US senator, you make a great circus clown..or, possibly, a pastry chef.
Your Davos, Switzerland comments were seditious, treasonous and totally without merit or credibility. You, sir, are the REAL American pariah..a walking, talking example of 'stupid is as stupid does'. Your comments could have been spoken at any time from 1970 thru 2007 !! I, for one, am not surprised that you fail to understand the true nature of our sense of national pride - since you never had any to begin with.
It is my hope that you are AT LEAST censured for these ill-advised, ill-timed and truly treasonous/seditious comments spoken in a time of war. You disgrace this country with your very presence in the US Senate, sir. Please, for the good of the nation, resign from office while you still have a shred of dignity left in you !!
Lightspede
WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!
God Bless
I'm tired of both parties or all parties. I want men and women that are of righteous character and live by the word of the original constitution. It is not a living document. If it were as many assume then we do not have a nation ruled by law but by the whims of men.
What is wrong with the prople of Massachusetts? Are they a bit thick, or is the state rife with voter fraud?
Do the Americans have so little self-criticism that they cannot see what is going wrong with their names abroad?
I know pleasant Americans and I know obnoxious Americans, you seem just like the people in every other country in the world. But when it comes to your current government, the stench of incorrect decisions based on deliberately faulty information is sky-high.
And people still complain about Bill Clinton because he had sex in the Oval office. This president has screwed around with your constitutional rights and you still defend him!
Or to paraphrase Elizabeth Taylor in "Virginia Woolf" : "George and Dick, sad sad sad."
I sincerely hope that the U.S.A. will have a proper administration soon. Be it Republican of Democrat, I don't care that much. But please let it be more sensible.
I know conservative media thrives on simplicity and repetition but the comments in this talkback are just braindead.
At least Kerry fought in an actual war, unlike most of you probably.
This "man" should be tried for treason
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/opinion/05kristof.html?ex=1278216000&en=51ddab944508d43f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: July 5, 2005
Those who care about Africa tend to think that the appropriate attitude toward President Bush is a medley of fury and contempt.
But the fact is that Mr. Bush has done much more for Africa than Bill Clinton ever did, increasing the money actually spent for aid there by two-thirds so far, and setting in motion an eventual tripling of aid for Africa. Mr. Bush's crowning achievement was ending one war in Sudan, between north and south. And while Mr. Bush has done shamefully little to stop Sudan's other conflict - the genocide in Darfur - that's more than Mr. Clinton's response to genocide in Rwanda (which was to issue a magnificent apology afterward).
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So as the G-8 summit meeting convenes this week, focusing on Africa, it's worth acknowledging that Mr. Bush, and conservatives generally, have in many ways been great for the developing world. At their best, they bring a healthy dose of hands-on practicality to their efforts.
The liberal approach to helping the poor is sometimes to sponsor a U.N. conference and give ringing speeches calling for changed laws and more international assistance.
In contrast, a standard conservative approach is to sponsor a missionary hospital or school. One magnificent example is the Addis Ababa Fistula Hospital, where missionary doctors repair obstetric injuries that have left Ethiopian women incontinent.
Liberals also often focus on changing laws, but in a poor country, the legal system is often irrelevant outside the capital. Sudan, for example, banned female genital mutilation back in 1957; since then, the practice has expanded steadily. Sure, lobbying for better laws is important, but it's usually much more cost-effective to vaccinate children or educate girls. Nobody gets more bang for the buck than missionary schools and clinics, and Christian aid groups like World Vision and Samaritan's Purse save lives at bargain-basement prices.
Liberals may also put too much faith in aid itself. What Africa needs most desperately are things it can itself provide: good governance, a firmer neighborhood response to genocide in Sudan, and a collective nudging of Robert Mugabe into retirement.
Plenty of studies have shown that aid usually doesn't help people in insecure, corrupt or poorly governed nations. Indeed, aid can even do harm, by bidding up local exchange rates and hurting local manufacturers.
All that said, in the right circumstances aid can be tremendously effective, especially in well-governed countries - Mozambique is an excellent example. And Mr. Bush's new push to help Africa is smartly designed, targeting problems like malaria and sex trafficking, where extra attention and resources will make a big difference on the ground.
Mr. Bush's signature foreign aid program, the Millennium Challenge Account, is off to an agonizingly slow start, but is shrewdly focused on encouraging good governance and economic growth. The first grant went to Madagascar, a well-run country, to clarify property rights there. This isn't sexy, but nothing would help the poor in Africa more than giving them clear title to their land so they could secure loans and start businesses.
The divide I portray between the left and right is, of course, a caricature. Some of the very best work to help the poor is done by liberal-leaning groups, like the Carter Center, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Doctors Without Borders. They all use their resources to make real changes on the ground.
And while Mr. Bush has done much more for Africa than most people realize, there's one huge exception, because anything with a whiff of sex in it makes some conservatives go nuts. Mr. Bush's decision to cut off funds for the U.N. Population Fund means that more African girls will die in childbirth. Even more tragic is the administration's blind hostility to condoms to fight AIDS - resulting in more dead Africans.
Mr. Bush has another blind spot as well: while he is right that aid is not a cure-all, sometimes he seems to use legitimate concerns about aid as an excuse for stinginess. Aid has shortcomings, but Mr. Bush himself has shown that it can be used effectively to save lives by the millions.
Yet Mr. Bush is resisting the G-8's calls for further help for Africa; he thinks the sums are better spent on cutting the taxes of the richest people on earth than on saving the lives of the poorest. Come on, Republicans! You need to persuade Mr. Bush to be more generous this week, because his present refusal to help isn't conservative, but just plain selfish.
As for Kerry, he will eventually get what's coming to him. The man sold out his country 30 years ago and he's still selling it out. Even worse, he sold his soul for political gain - and he's not the only one.
His wife has enough of a Ketchup fortune to buy him a small country, and establish his rightful throne... John the Pompous, King of the Duchy of Heinzopoli. Complete with hairstylist and Botox technician, available for royal service.
A half truth filled with innuendo and self-aggrandizement. Something Kerry has mastered, but can't fool people with anymore. Except you, it seems.
"Secondly, our President is leading a war of aggression against Iraq. Hitler's cohorts were found guilty for leading such war against other Nations."
First, why does the gratuitious Hilter mention always come out with you guys? Second, this is NOT "such a war" as Hitler's except from a standpoint of the Islamic fascists. If anything, the Islamic fascists are the one's closely aligned, almost parallel, with the same goals and desires Hitler had. Hitler's war was for expansion (or the Caliphate) and genocide (or extermination or subjugation of the infidel) with a goal of creating a race of Arians (or the Ummah) that would kowtow to the state and solidify centralized power with Hitler (or the 12th Imam) as supreme head (or Caliph) of state.
Read much history?
"There is no denying the fact that this war of aggression was solely based on lies told the public by the White House."
This is all the same rhetoric repeated ad nauseum for years now. This war was based on resolutions based on intelligence, which much of the world agreed with, and auhorized by a vast majority of Congress and the Senate. Pray tell, what "lies" do you refer to?
After we're done with that, blame it on leftist media! That must be the problem!
I'm sure the rest of the world isn't throwing fits because we have a nasty habit of totally ignoring them and doing what we want anyway. Nah, we're not isolationist.. over here taking up most of a continent, shunning any language but our own.
The war in Iraq is an abismal failure and an embarassment of the United States. We wave the flag and claim we are spreading democracy while we destabilize more and more of the world into anarchy and death.
Meanwhile our leaders sit around with their thumbs up their ... and worry about their next campain.
Kerry isn't a perfect man, but at least he isn't beating around the bush anymore. I'm from MA. I voted for him.. and I'll do it again. Kennedy too.. just because they seem to piss you people off so much.
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I have lived in a Latin country for six years, and although I love it, the corruption, lack of transparency, manana mentality, and a culture mired in excuses for non performance suggest that the problems holding this country back are not that of the U.S.A., but are home grown from poor values, and and a lack of leadership from governments, and family.
I remind locals that they should be so thankful for the fact the world's sole super power, is the United States of America.
America is not #1 in anything, we haven't been for quite some time. So, that whole mentality is absolutely ridiculous and hysterical. American pride? In what? What exactly have we done in the last 50 years that's worth noting. Our literacy rates have gone down considerably. Our education blows and we're more concerned, as a nation, who Brad Pitt is sleeping with rather than what's going on outside our borders.
Also...
The fact that Kerry could meet with the former president of Iran is a blessing. I wish our current president could meet with other leaders outside of his comfort zone for some sort of dialogue to repair our disasterous foreign policy.
Dialogue is good. embrace it and don't fear it.
Wow, what a great reason to vote for someone. :rolleyes
France, Germany, and Belgium? Sounds like the same countries we sacrificed 400000 of our best and brightest to save from fascism. Not to mention the 45 year cold war we fought to kepp you guys from being swamped by the red horde.
'You break it, you own it, you pay for it'? Yeah but who demolished europe in the 1940s....other europeans, but we still stepped in with the marshall plan to rebuild europe. we never had an obligation to do that but we did. Iraq only takes 15 sec on your evening news? thats cuz u guys live in denial just like you did in 1938. What about madrid and london? i hope they got more atttention than 15 seconds.
He should be in a prison cell with about 85% of the democRAT politcs party (DNC).
Does it make you shiver to think of Hillary as president?
Please, some of you GOOD democrats wake up and take your party back, for the sake of country.
What with Hillary making up stuff on a daily basis and Schummer spreading hiw lies, I can't help but wonder if they all beleive that no lie is to far out there.
These people has no sense of decency.
Keery needs to have something named after him to let him seem really important. Something that would fit in with the other limosine liberals and socialite socialists.
Perhaps an airport like the John Kennedy in the Atlantic Airport off Cape Cod or the Ted Kennedy Carwash on Martha's Vinyard or the Bill Clinton dictionary of twisted words.
Better yet turn him around at immigration.
So, the United States and our military in Iraq are the ones willing to let people die? We are sitting on our hands? Listen here; we are the only ones on this planet right now willing to fight to protect the people of Iraq.
The sad thing is, I think you people screaming for "peace" and the immediate retreat of our troops in Iraq actually know this. You know how many people will be butchered if we stop this fight to protect the innocent Iraqi people. You just don't care. You'd rather sit around your Starbucks and drink coffee and talk about how great you are for loving peace while children are slaughtered at the hands of fascist animals. That’s peace for you. The headlines look peaceful, so it must be so. More room to read reviews of that next great Alec Baldwin movie. You know, the things that really matter to you. I’m guessing you would have said about the same thing in 1940 while the Jews were being “relocated†to gas chambers? Look at how peaceful this newspaper is! Smile.
Yes, you'd much rather go back to the days when almost one million Rwanda citizens are butchered in 100 days while Clinton is ensuring “peace†on Earth. Let me tell you, the children who took the business end of a machete to their little innocent necks did not feel like peace was prevailing. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!! All of you, ashamed of being cowards.
You should all be ashamed knowing full well how many people died at the hands of tyranny in Iraq over Saddam’s rule with no chance of repeal. I know what you’re thinking, “But Scott, the headlines said there was peace In Iraq. CNN and Micheal Moore said it was all good and kids could fly kites.â€
Now, with the cameras every where and the 1% of the population or foreign fighters wanting to kill and take over the country, you want to give it to them. Even though less people are dying today than ten years ago. Less Iraqis are dying today and they have hope of a better tomorrow. The Iraqi people, for the first time, have the chance at a great future; but not if you have any say in the matter. You know how many more will die without our help, and it’s a sad horrible day when you try to hide behind your need for “peace†while children die. You shameful weak few Americans who want to live in “peace†while others die are the reason the Stalin’s and Hitler’s prevail throughout history.
I expect full well for no one to reply to this directly. I just expect the “bu****ler lied†vitriol that you peace loving history forgetting hippies love to repeat. No substance to anything you say, just selfish hate. Keep up the good work liberals; we need you as examples to show our kids how not to grow up and how not to be weak. Keep speaking truth to power coward.
Do I take pride in the USA. Absolutely. I believe the USA stands for truth, justice, equality and freedom throughout the world. I believe the war on terror must be fought to maintain these principles. It is not the US causing radical Islam to murder its own people, it is radical Islam. The US does not call on the annihilation of any group, but radical Islam calls on the annihilation of the rest of the world, unless they convert, but unfortunately even they break into separate groups, i.e. Shia vs. Sunni and kill each other in the name of Allah. And yet too many in this world want to point the finger at the US, who stands almost alone in rejecting genocide, and the perpetuation of religious war against the world. What good will pulling out of Iraq ever do? The Islamists will kill each other for control of that country, Iran will undoubtedly gain substantial influence (and if you don't think Iran is evil how do you even begin to justify them calling for the annihilation of Israel and the US. It is one thing to declare animosity towards another country, but to declare extermination as a viable option...). Give peace a chance is a nice idea, but even if the US pulled out of every Islamic country in the world, enabling fundamentalists to cause mass genocides, ruthless dictatorial societies, etc..., why would you ever think they would stop not just killing their own people but stop their desire for world domination by killing US and European citizens? To sit back and do nothing would be to invite evil to overtake this world.
As far as meeting with other leaders outside Bush's comfort zone....get real...the US does not and will not hold dialogue with terrorists or terrorist nations. I'm sure Bush meeting with Iran's leaders would not be beneficial conversation in the slightest despite the belief by some that dialogue never hurt ask Chamberlain how his chat with Hitler resulting in a cease fire shortly before Hitler invaded the rest of Europe was beneficial. You cannot negotiate or believe what dictator or terrorist led nations say, as their entire goal is domination (whether it be only their own people which is evil enough, or world domination, which is when the left finally relents that force becomes necessary).
With regard to the post asking what good America has done over the past 50 years, I'd love to find out if he's picked up a newspaper anytime during said period.
That whole moon landing thing (which I'm sure he thinks was faked) which included space travel and satellite technology, that whole fall of communism thing (which I'm sure he thinks just happened by accident), that whole computer and Internet thing which he's using right now to post (which I'm sure he thinks communist Cuba invented), that whole airline/aerospace industry thing brought to you by Boeing (which I'm sure he thinks isn't even an accomplishment), nano technology, cancer research, food production technology, mass produced cheap automobiles, miracle drugs and medical technology, Tiger Woods, and the list goes on and on. Look around you dude, almost everything you touch is because of America.
But most of all, if you traveled back just 65 years you'd find that even the great things Germany and Japan do today would not be possible without America freeing its people from tyranny. My God, it's like the same thing we're doing today in Iraq. Strange, isn’t it?
Anyone else got some other technology to add so this imbecile knows who to thank the next time he pops a hot pocket in the microwave?
Why is Iran a terror state?"
Because of their support of Hamas and Hezbollah. Because they officially say "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" and threaten to "wipe Israel off of the face of the map and, Allah willing, America will soon follow.
THAT'S what makes Iran a terrorist state. The better question is why do you support *them*, instead of us? It's clear to us patriots which side you're on, the question is why?
"Oh, and by the way, Mohammad Katami was actually the best ally in Iran that we had."
No, the best friend America had in Iran was the Shaw but the anti-semite Carter screwed that up. Funny who you call friends, isn't it? Kerry, Katami, Carter, terrorists. If your enemy is President Bush, then you're just like them.
"Sure, call me a liberal. The fact is, I'm conservative and that probably scares you."
Conservative? *rolls eyes* The FACT is, you're on the wrong side. Yet another traitor, just like like Kerry.
Pick a side, you "progressive" traitors. All I can say is that I'm still siding with President Bush and America. Which side are YOU on?
Here he is saying ".. we walked away from Kyoto.." No John, YOU walked away from Kyoto and are an incredible wimp for saying 'we'.
Our country gives almost half of all world aid and you call us a pariah. Massachusetts should RECALL YOU from the Senate immediately IMO.
by Howard Nemerov
because reverence has never been america's thing,
this verse in your honor will not begin "o thou."
but the great respect our country has to give
may you all continue to deserve, and have.
* * *
here at the fulcrum of us all,
the feather of truth against the soul
is weighed, and had better be found to balance
lest our enterprise collapse in silence.
for here the million varying wills
get melted down, get hammered out
until the movie's reduced to stills
that tell us what the law's about.
conflict's endemic in the mind:
your job's to hear it in the wind
and compass it in opposites,
and bring the antagonists by your wits
to being one, and that the law
thenceforth, until you change your minds
against and with the shifting winds
that this and that way blow the straw.
so it's a republic, as Franklin said,
if you can keep it; and we did
thus far, and hope to keep our quarrel
funny and just. though with this moral:—
praise without end for the go-ahead zeal
of whoever it was invented the wheel;
but never a word for the poor soul's sake
that thought ahead, and invented the brake.
26 ii 89
by Howard Nemerov
LOVE, WAR & MORAL INDIGNATION
By Robin Meyers
Senior Minister of Mayflower Congregational Church
I am angry because I have watched as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian.
We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having swung the election to President Bush IN 2004. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country, about exactly what constitutes a moral value. I mean what are we talking about.
Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not if we are people of faith. We have an inherited tradition of what is right and wrong, and moral is as moral does.
Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those in power who claim moral values are on their side:
1. When you start a war on false premises and then act as if your deceptions are justified because you are doing God’s will, and that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there are some of us . . . who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.
2. When you live in a country that has established international rules for waging a just war and built the United Nations on its own soil to enforce them, if you then arrogantly break the very rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something immoral.
3. When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teachings, or turn them on their head (the Sermon on the Mount says we must never return violence for violence, and those who live by the sword shall die by the sword), you are doing something immoral.
4. When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse even to count them, you are doing something immoral.
5. When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and then came home a hero, you are doing something immoral.
6. When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the Gospel (which says that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate test) by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so that the strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing something immoral.
7. When you wink at the torture of prisoners and deprive so-called “enemy combatants†of the rules of the Geneva Convention, which your own country helped to establish and insists that other countries follow, you are doing something immoral.
8. When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good guys and the evildoers, slice up your own nation into those with you and those who are with the terrorists, and then launch a war that enriches your friends and seizes control of the oil to which we are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing something immoral.
9. When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the necks of our children, you are doing something immoral.
10. When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act as if it doesn’t matter what others think of us, because God thinks well of you, you have done something immoral.
11. When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral.
12. When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the way of the Kingdom, you are doing something immoral.
13. When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to protect the earth, God’s gift to all of us, so that the corporations that bought you and paid for your favors will make higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a toxic world, you have done something evil. The earth belongs to the Lord, not to Halliburton.
14. When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that our killing is righteous while theirs is evil, you have made us resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral. We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.
15. When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a “compassionate conservative,†using the word that is the essence of all religious faith, and then show no compassion for those who disagree with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for help, you are doing something immoral.
16. When you constantly talk about Jesus, who was a healer of the sick, but do nothing to make sure that anyone who is sick can go to see a doctor, even if she doesn’t have a penny in her pocket, you are doing something immoral.
17. When you put judges on the bench who are racist, and will set women back a hundred years, and when you surround yourself with preachers who say gays ought to be killed, you are doing something immoral.
I'm tired of people thinking that because I'm a Christian, I must be a supporter of President Bush, or that because I favor civil rights and gay rights I must not be a person of faith. I'm tired of people saying that I can't support the troops but oppose the war I heard that when I was your age, when the Vietnam war was raging. We knew that that war was wrong, and you know that this war is
>> when we are irresponsibly slow in moving toward AIDS in Africa
I'm jealous! I didn't realize that life was problem free and perfect in Massachusetts. I mean, it must be since Senator Kerry seems to have an abundant amount of free time on his hands to worry so much about the lives of people in Africa. I wish things were as perfect and wonderful where I lived so that my elected representatives could spend all their time worrying about the lives of people in other countries instead the people that elected them to represent their interests in Washington.
1/2 of America VOTED for this guy!
It's interesting to see that those who oppose Kerry’s views do it with breathtaking displays of ignorance, and childish insults, no wonder the rest of the world will see us as less than competent world leaders.
No doubt those reactionaries who read this will be saying that they don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Can I remind them that the rest of the world holds our financial status in its hands, it owns our debts, our jobs, and our way of life depend (in no part thanks to Bush) in its hands.
We NEED to care about what the rest of the world thinks.
The rest of the world does think, we appear not to.
We should have known what we would get when we elected an untreated alcoholic born again Christian. We get just what we got and it can get worse if he is not restrained by the people
Mary Snyder, Hachita, NM
*Texas Girl*
*A girl walks into a bar in Texas, orders a beer and sits down at the bar
where a Mexican and an Iraqi are also drinking beers.*
*The Mexican drinks his beer and suddenly throws his glass in the air, pulls
out his pistol and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, "In Mexico our
glasses are so cheap we don't need to drink from the same glass twice."*
*The Iraqi, obviously impressed by this, drinks his beer, throws his glass
into the air, pulls out his AK-47 and shoots the glass to pieces. He says,
"In Iraq we have so much sand to make glasses that we don't need to drink
out of the same glass twice either." .*
*The Texas girl, cool as a cucumber, picks up her beer and drinks it, throws
her glass into the air, pulls out her gun, shoots the Mexican and the Iraqi,
then catches her glass. She says, "In Texas we have so many illegal Mexicans
and Arabs that we don't have to drink with the same ones twice".*
*GOD BLESS AMERICA!*
I've lived outside of the USA and, still, more people want to come here than anywhere else. The problem is rampant anti-Americanism. I suggest you read the following, below, if you want to understand why anti-Americans are so deluded.
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17764/article_detail.asp
"Strangely, it is always America that is described as degenerate and "fascist," while it is solely in Europe that actual dictatorships and totalitarian regimes spring up."
"On the whole, American society is sweepingly condemned as practically the worst association of human beings in history. Fresh evidence can do nothing to dispel such views, which, filled with distortion as they are, reflect little on the true strengths and failures of American society. But they tell us a great deal about the psychological problems of those Europeans who proffer the criticisms."
"For European leftists and the majority of intellectualswho were likely to adhere to communist ideasanti-Americanism was rational. This crowd identified America with capitalism, and capitalism with evil. What was less rational was their wholesale swallowing of the most flagrant and stupid lies about American society and foreign policy, with a concomitant flight from accurate knowledge of the political systems that the U.S. was battling."
"Obsessed by their hatred, and floundering in illogicality, Europe's anti-American dupes completely forget that when the U.S. acts against terrorists in her own self-interest, she is also acting in the interest of Europeans, and in the interest of many other countries threatened, or already subverted, by terrorism.
Today's anti-American disinformation is not the result of pardonable, correctable mistakes, but of a profound psychological need to make the U.S. the villain responsible for others' failures."
"For skeptics of democratic capitalism, the United States is, quite simply, the enemy. For many years, and still today, a principal function of anti-Americanism has been to discredit the nation that stands as the supreme alternative to socialism. More recently, Islamists, anti-modern Greens, and others have taken to pillorying the U.S. for the same reason. To travesty the United States as a repressive, unjust, racist society is a way of proclaiming: Look what happens when modern democratic capitalism is implemented!"
"The fundamental role of anti-Americanism in Europe in general, and particularly among those on the Left, is to absolve themselves of their own moral failings and intellectual errors by heaping them onto the monster scapegoat, the United States of America. For stupidity and bloodshed to vanish from Europe, the U.S. must be identified as the singular threat to democracy (contrary to every lesson of actual history)."
"Why is the USA casually accused of "fascism," when it is a land that has never known a dictator over the course of two centuries, while Europe has been busy making troops of them?"
"Tens of millions of immigrants have streamed into the United States. If the picture of America drawn by the European press is accurate, then those immigrants from all parts of the world were deluded fools. Why choose the American capitalist jungle with all its evils, rather than the lands of peace, plenty, and liberty they came from? Why didn't they write their families and friends basking in the paradises of Ukraine, Calabria, and Greece warning them of the perils of poverty, precariousness, and oppression in America?"
"The great irony of this anti-American obsession is that it aggravates the evil that it aims to extirpate, namely the go it-alone impulse famously ascribed to the U.S. By criticizing the Americans whatever they do, on every occasioneven when they are completely rightEuropeans (we are not alone in this, but we lead the dance) compel Americans to disregard our objectionseven when we are right. The American reflex, conditioned by the constant avalanche of anathemas coming at them, causes them to keep thinking: "They're always blaming us, so why consult them at all? We already know they'll vilify us."
And so America's enemies and allies alike, valuing animosity toward the U.S. over influence on her, condemn themselves to impotence. In the process they strengthen the American superpower.
Jean-Francois Revel, who lives in Paris, is author of How Democracies Perish, The Totalitarian Temptation, Without Marx or Jesus, and the new book Anti-Americanism, which will be released in an English translation in November by Encounter Books."
Even a frenchman get's it right once in a while. :D
A vocal Kerry is good for America. He makes moderates re-think the true intentions of the Pelosi/Kennedy/Feingold bunch. Those guys are so much further to the left than any serving Republican is to the right, but the media uses the word Conservative about 10 times as much as they use the word Liberal.
No, that's just anti-American propaganda. If it were truely a "pariah," nobody would want to come here, nobody would want our help or our financial aid. It's only a pariah to inbred socialists and other anti-American myrmidons, nobody that matters cares what *they* think anyway.
As a disabled vet who does see other disabled vets at the VA hospital, you need to get a clue. The President *does* visit with diabled vets but when he went jogging with a double amputee, the liberal media tried to portray it as a photo-op. With some traitors you can't win, no matter what. Vets , in huge numbers, support President Bush and disagree with any retard stupid enough to support "Mr. Kerry." There is no draft, these heroes signed up to defend America and knew the risks.
All we ask is that you love us as much as we love America.
Robin Meyers, Senior Minister of Mayflower Congregational Church, delivers a sermon condemning, purportedly in the name of Jesus, the political and religious views of most conservatives. Myers represents one of the most liberal churches in America. Long ago, they surrendered virutally anything that represents NT Christianity and became fundadmentally a socialist organization. I, too, am a minister, and I would be happy to debate Myers in public or in writing. His religious game would be up. His seventeen declarations, posted at this site, are examples of nutsville. Religious liberals talk about "love," but they hate conservatives, and defend, for example, the outrageous John Kerry. So much for truth and honor.
your forefathers are rolling in their graves while your children are being put to theirs fighting a pointless and unjust war in iraq
(p.s.: Kerry betrayed us and should be ashamed).
Let me tell you something junior, I'm 55 years old, and I started out in college as a die-hard conservative Republican who worked for Richard Nixon's '72 re-election campaign. I earned my conservative "button" when you were still in knee highs.
When I was in my late 30s and early 40s, after seeing a country that really had all the problems I had denied when I was a Republican, I was forced to grow up and see the truth. That's right. Growing up into a real adult made me a liberal.
That's why there's so much hate-filled rhetoric on this site from the conservatives. They are knuckle-dragging adolescents who deny reality and refuse to grow up because they are cowards. Believe me, I understand. It's easy to hide behind hate and bravado, because when you do that, you don't have to step up to the plate and do the heavy lifting. You can get others to fight for you.
We will continue to be hated around the world because you morons live inside that same bubble with Dubyathe worst president in the history of this great country. But cheer up. This wonderful country will live through Dubya's murderous reign and all the stupidity you conservatives you can vomit up. This country will survive.
Aid and comfort to the enemy-it use to be TREASON.
It is neat to see so many posters here so loyal to 3080 corpses via the war. Too bad they dont cry the same "tears" for 3000 dead every day in this country. That is just someones "choice" and is the best thing since sliced bread. Talk about hypocrisy.
Typical socialist drivel. Despite the GDP ratio, we still give more dollars than anyone else but that's not enough for greedy socialist scum.
"your forefathers are rolling in their graves while your children are being put to theirs fighting a pointless and unjust war in iraq"
My children (and someday my grandchildren) signed up to serve the military, just like I did. We choose to serve, we're not forced, yet cowards like you have to denigrate our service because you're too short sighted to see that Iraq is a part of the war on terror and that the military service men and women don't agree with your pacifist delusions.
"Posted by Sir Poon of Tang on Jan 30 2007 7:48AM - That's why there's so much hate-filled rhetoric on this site from the conservatives. They are knuckle-dragging adolescents who deny reality and refuse to grow up because they are cowards. Believe me, I understand."
I have to agree with "Scott," It's a little hypocritcal for an adolescent (age not important) named "sir poon of tang" to talk of education and call others "junior" when you've clearly shunned all intelligence. I you may THINK you understand, but most of us here *don't* believe you actually do. Typical liberal...
"Posted by M. Y. Carey on Jan 30 2007 9:10AM - For "patriot". Now you want everyone's love? Since there is a slight chance that you are being truthful about being a disabled vet, I will try not to be insulting by calling derogatory names, such as "retard" as you did."
I see how much our service means to your kind.
"I'm 55 years old"
"That's why there's so much hate-filled rhetoric on this site from the conservatives."
"...because you morons live inside that same bubble with Dubyathe worst president in the history of this great country. But cheer up. This wonderful country will live through Dubya's murderous reign and all the stupidity you conservatives you can vomit up."
So let's examine the situation:
You claim you're 55 but your name is "Sir Poon of Tang" (grow up, either way) and you said you were a liberal but you also claim the "hate" comes from the conservatives. Does it hurt to be a lying two-faced hypocrite like Kerry/Carter/Clinton and all of the other cowardly liberals?
Kerry flip flops just like Tang-boy.