Hi Shopp: I would like to put forward a perspective on what "SAVED" means scripturally. Around the turn of the 20th century the terms:

1)  Saved

2) Born Again

3) Baptised in the Holy Ghost

4) Salvation

All had somewhat of a facelift. What I mean by that is that churches globally applied these terms in a variety of ways to their members.

e.g. Some would say that salvation was a result of adherance to church dogma, others would say that salvation was a result of the new convert saying the "Sinners Prayer" etc etc.

I would like to draw your attention to the Bible definition of these terms and demonstrate that they all (1-4) speak of the same experience. The story that helps us (God placed in the Bible for us to understand the points of reference) is the story of Cornelius and the Conversion of the Gentiles.

Please read carefully and understand the words for they are very important and in conflict with teaching today that salvation is at some stage prior to the receiving of the Holy Ghost.

What seperates us from other countries is our reverance for the constitution.

You are right, no other country in the world has our constitution.

But, without virtue or morals, our Constitution is meaningless,

So what about the congregations that are turning people over? You lost me , please explain.

 don't know how it doesn't make sense to you. Think of it as the dogma or history of the religion? Make sense? Kinda like the old testament.I must be reading something completely different from what you are saying, because it does not make sense. 

I will support ,for example, a person's right to smoke, even tho I personally hate the smell, the yellow stains, the dirty ashtrays, and everything that goes with it.   It is legal.  Why would anyone preach or believe in virgin sacrifies if they did not believe in performing them.  Now, from a historical perspective one could teach of their existence, but not support it.  Maybe, I just can't get beyond the sanctity of life and the dignity with which one should treat another human being.  Or I am way off the mark, and you will have to try another approach

I don't know how it doesn't make sense to you. Think of it as the dogma or history of the religion? Make sense? Kinda like the old testament.

If we don't preserve this country, all bets are off. I am pretty sure even then (except in maybe in small areas of the country) you won't have sharia. I would be more willing to be that we would have some sort of christian facist dictator, or chrisitan theocracy over most of the country. Now that isn't and indictment on Christanity, but it is indictment of people who will use religion and prevert to gain power.

If we treat the constitution as we should, and follow it, we won't have a problem. With islmofacism, debt, and other problems that will arise. What seperates us from other countries is our reverance for the constitution.

Like I used before as an example. You can believe in virgin volcano sacrifices, you can even preach, if you want. You may not tho actually perform a virgin sacrifice, as that would be murder

Sick~O, why would anyone preach that if they didn't believe in the actual practice?  That statement makes no sense.

That is a unnerving and terrifying- as long as we are intact.  And if we are no longer intact?  Then what? 

When I see the moderate muslims actually physically arrest, remove, denounce, and boycott anyone who actively preaches and practices sharia, and other violent terroist beliefs, I find them guilty by association just as the driver of the get away car is as quilty as the bank robber.

But, Sick~O, you are right, our priority is to save this country on all levels for the all generations living now and in the future.

Ps.. forgot to say.... Saturday night, we are all in the tent getting ready to sleep..  we get a phone call.   My son Mike, 25, was rushed to hospital in wilmington nc... he had had a back ache 2 days before and left work early... then all the next day  it kept getting worse, no relief.... So he called my other son in wilmington (the one married last oct)  and talked to him about it,  Jason insisted he let him take him to emergency room.... After many tests including a cat scan, the dr. deteremined it was appendix, and said it will only get worse, so they did immediate surgury.   He came thru great.

But as a parent, it was difficult being  8 hrs away and not being there... so all we could do was pray for 2 hrs and wait for a phone call.....

He is now back home, well, and on heavy meds.  So heavy they won't let him work till Sept 2.....

Where is Theresa lately?

Anyway.. glad to be back and read  Care II.

Shoppes camping trip:

New tent, not as nice as it claims   It slept us 5 ok, but I cannot see it sleeping 8 unless some people sleep on top of others...hummmmmm .. ok, back to camping.

nice site to pitch a tent.   obviously too close to neighbors.   They kept us me awake till 1 a.m  Saturday night.  I coulda punched their lights out!   I enjoy my sleep... I gave them the ole evil eye next morning,  if looks could kill, they would be dead!  

Had a great reunion, weather was terrific (thank sicko)...

Small turnout at the reunion because the Matriarch of the family, my aunt mary 93, was in the hospital.   We all gave her a short visit since there were so many of us... She looked well, but today had some problems.... then I find out my dearest friend has been going thru chemo with breast cancer... pray for Debbie B. please...    Then one of my first cousins just had her foot removed, she is a beautiful youngish lady.... Diabetes.   I didn't know it ran in the family, so I best watch it now. 

So I should be glad to be alive and whole, but I am still somewhat depressed and not sure why....

Anyway,   so glad to be back chatting with all of you.  

And as long as the United States of America is still intact we will never have an islamic caliphate inside our boarders.

And Sharia law is into murder.  also cutting off arms, hands... etc....

Torture , no jury of your peers , false confessions.....

None of this needs to be allowed in AMERICA, not even in those churches.

I am not for snake handling either... but many of you think it should be cut out of those churches....I agree.  

too many die from those snakes, its a hazard, deadly for many... so I say no to Snake  handlers in churches...

I am on the losing side of this one I know.

Just because I support a persons right to religion does not mean I support all or any of it's aspects. I also flatley stated that they have no right to impose their religion on you.

So let me clear this up one last time....You have a right to believe and practice whatever religion you want. As long as while you are practicing you do not infringe on anyone else's rights.

Like I used before as an example. You can believe in virgin volcano sacrifices, you can even preach, if you want. You may not tho actually perform a virgin sacrifice, as that would be murder.

Below is a copy of a text from Sick~O's post.  I take that as supporting sharia. 

If a business decides to be pro-sharia good for them, if a person decides to live their lives in accordance with sharia good for them. It is their choice to do that, and they have that freedom afforded to them by the constitution. 

When the full report is released, if I am wrong, I will state such. 

Oh, now Tax, has resorted to lying. I have never supported sharia.

Secondly show me the study, if it is the one with a little more than 100 Mosques, then it is bunk study. The fact is the FBI used 2000 mosques as sample size 20 times that of the other study.

Lets have some facts and not fear mongering.

I believe we know very little about what goes on in these Ha-mosques.   Really, we are clueless.

The one documentary I saw that was taken undercover with a cell phone was what I believe all mosques are.       Teaching Radical Islam.  period.

The FBI article was from nearly a year ago so their study is older than that.  10% of those Mosques represent what percent of the Muslim population?  Why are you supporting sharia? If muslims want to live here, they need to live under our laws, not change them.  If they want to live under their laws they have those laws in their own countries.

The FBI, says that about 1 in 10 (10%) teach extremism... So what is it 80% or 10%, frankly I am going to believe the FBI, they had a larger sample and a clear definition.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16756

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=57141

Is this the one?

Sick~O,  it is this population of which I speak:

A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship. But 80% are filled with violent literature, Sharia teachings,

There is more discussion about muslims comparing Sharia with Christian beliefs.  Till they come out and deny that,  I have no time for them. 

Freedom of religion has to go both ways.  America has that in their  Constitution.  Those who come to live here must also subscribe to that belief. 

Shoppe that would kindof defeat the purpose of their bias nature.  They know that if they expose it, they won't be able to persuade anyone.

ps.   I have to say on thing......

I was saved 20 yrs before I spoke in tongues (which I do only rarely in private)... I feel If I had died before I did speak in tongues , I would have went to heaven.  I just feel the same Spirit that helps a person speak in tongues was already in my the moment I got saved.

v

Luke,  hey you have returned.  :)   Great reading your stuff.

vivian

1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 1Co 12:22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 1Co 12:23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 1Co 12:24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honor to that part which lacked: 1Co 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 1Co 12:26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it. 1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

When read in context all the members encourage one another and there is NO SCHISM. It is a wonderful experience to see God work amongst his people. Jesus said "I have many things to say to you but you cannot bear them yet" Interpretation and Prophecy have saved marriages, prevented backsliding, saved lives, converted believers and unlocked mysteries before our eyes.

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.

Not all will have manifestations of all gifts "IN THE CHURCH" But this cannot be a foundation of the belief that All only get one gift or that we are not fully equipped with the potential for all. Of the 9 gifts; tongues was given other functions they are as follow: 1) Sign following believer, 2) Prayer, 3) Edification of our inner man. False religion is rampant, if ever people needed confirmatory evidence of entry into God's plan and the infilling of the Holy Spirit, it is today. Our motivation needs to be careful, studious, loving leadership in the church, not finding the point of least resistance.

Please feel free to check out my websites listed below for more in context:

http://www.hiswaychurch.websyte.com.au

http://www.speakingintongues.websyte.com.au

And on the Mark chapter 16 comments, check out my blog:

http://www.theshellharbourrevivaltimes.blogspot.com

God Bless

Luke 7:35

Further and most importantly; to say that one has the "gift of FAITH" and another has "The gift of Miracles" and so on, has created a position of spiritual ladder climbing which is the opposite of the intended purpose of this chapter. Besides that without the gift of FAITH it is impossible to please God. So we all MUST have that Gift.

Miracles are performed by GOD not our special abilities. Further if someone is healed of blindness it is the patient who has the GIFT of healing not the person praying for another.

1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Unity of the Body is emphasized. The Context is specifically (dysfunction in the "meeting or assembling together") Verse 12-14 is however true in application to the greater Body of Christ. But the application in this chapter is IN THE CHURCH SERVICE.

1Co 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 1Co 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him

Some of the gifts are only manifested in the meeting. Divers kinds of tongues, interpretation and prophecy. Of course If someone never interprets it does not mean that they don’t have the Holy Spirit. The difference with tongues is that tongues had several purposes not the least of which is a confirmatory sign. Notice that tongues in the meeting is termed “Divers kinds of tongues”. We don’t all manifest these gifts in the meeting but according to the “measure of faith” we will manifest them. The gift is already present within us it is unlocked by OUR FAITH!

Tongues are the easiest gift to manifest during the operation of the spiritual gifts because we all received that manifestation upon belief as seal of the Holy Spirit. (See Acts 2:4 & 10:44)

Notice haw Paul the Apostle draws attention to "dumb idols" Dumb means Idols that “Cannot Speak” This is in stark contrast to God who proved himself on numerous occasions verbally. Earlier in this letter had pointed out to the Corinthians that Christianity is a dynamic miracle working religion when he said.

 1Co 2:4 "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." (Demonstration of the Spirit) the antithesis of Dumb Idols.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. (You cannot call Jesus Lord without the Holy Spirit)

The question arises, Is this ability (the manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit) for a select few; or all? The former would lead to resentment perhaps and maybe even a spiritual hierarchy. In many  groups who practice the "grading of gifts" (i.e. Tongues is the least and prophecy or healing are the greatest.) results in a large amount of "non-participant" members. In other words the more extraverted people make all the noise and those who are not confident simply sit and observe. The Bible calls this being "Unequally yoked". This may not seem a big deal to many however the purpose of fellowship is firstly to present the gospel to unbelievers and secondly to exhort and edify existing members. Many in these groups who believe that one gets this gift and another that gift are placed in the position of "spectators" to the show. The Corinthians chapters 11 through 14 model is INCLUSIVE as opposed to EXCLUSIVE. Allowing the weaker to edify the strong and vice versa. This is why I believe this is such an important topic to cover.

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

We who have received the Holy Spirit are partakers of ONE Spirit. We are born again, our lives are not our own. Jesus lives through us. The concept of each person receiving more or less DEPENDANT on their FAITH is more about SELF GLORY than that of GOD. Anonymity in receipt of the gifts of God, and our use of them bring with them greater rewards in the world to come. That is consistent with Jesus' nature.

1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

Note in verse 6: ALL in ALL!  Meaning: ALL (each and every one of the gifts) in ALL (Each and every Christian) Paul’s letter to the Ephesians helps us to understand this.

Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth All in All.

 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

This is a key verse: Because it opens with "But the manifestation" ("But" included to contrast previous verse) The Christian is "filled" with all the capabilities available.(verse 6) BUT the manifestation ( DURING the OPERATION) of the spiritual gifts is not displayed by all, but is for EVERYONE’S good. (verse 7)

1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 

T Reply...

A word to the wise:

  Blind leaders of the Blind are fairly easy to recognize. They, for the most part avoid the Bible

The Bible says that God's word gives light, in fact it is the light. If we follow that light we will not stumble or fall.

It is noteworthy that our spirited little name caller barely touched on a scripture at all in his/her dose of verbage.

I will however like to respond by addressing the verse that they did quote.......

The Manifestations of the Holy Ghost in the Church Service

The 12th chapter of Paul's letter to the Corinthians is a widely misapplied text of scripture. In this chapter Paul itemises 9 of the manifestations of the Holy Ghost as they are apparent in the church meeting. What many have done today is to cite various texts from this chapter to say that one person is gifted with this gift (e.g. faith) and another is gifted with that (e.g. miracles). A result of this is that some boast of having gifts of healing, miracles and/or knowledge and have therefore given themselves a promotion over others who they perceive as being less gifted. This was never the desired intention of Paul who wrote the letter, or of God who inspired Paul so to write. The following is a brief summary of this chapter that hopefully will clear up any misunderstandings.

Preface:In chapters 11 through 14 of the letter to the Corinthians there is clear instruction to the early Christian church on how to conduct their meetings. Chapter 11 begins with the statement...1Co 11:1  Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 1Co 11:2  "Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you." It follows that at the close of his directives concerning church services he states 1Co 14:40”Let all things be done decently and in order." These comments act as bookends to the sole instruction in the Bible concerning structure and format in meeting together for Church services. The Greek word for Meeting Together sunerchomai; appears 8 times in the Bible. All in this epistle. 5 times in chapter 11 and twice in chapter 14 and 1 time in chapter 7. Instruction on how to convene meetings IS NOT FOUND in any other epistle. This means that the context of chapter 12 is when the church is in the state of "Meeting Together". Having established the clear context lets continue.

Mr. Luke, or whoever you are....

Did you know, that NO WHERE in the Bible does it say what you are saying? NO WHERE DOES IT SAY; “To be saved, you must speak in tongues?” The best you can put forth is when Jesus said "signs will follow" and gave “AN INCOMPLETE LIST OF SPIRITUAL SIGNS AND WONDERS. Do you realize what that means? It means anyone including an anonymous Luke7_35 could come along and ADD his or her own “sign or wonder” at any time.

By the Bible and your own words, the list given is incomplete. And, if you’re going to insist we all be so “thorough” on reading the Word of God, please try a little of that your self. The fact is, Paul, later on in Corinthians (after having been visited by the Lord) gave a longer, much more complete list. And even then young man, PAUL DID NOT CONCLUDE WHAT YOU ARE CONCLUDING. In fact, he concluded the EXACT opposite of what you are saying. If you were there then, he would have rebuked you and reminded you of something I find very little of in all your postings. It’s that thing known as charity, for which, a paraphrased Paul would claim, "without charity bucko, you can tongue talk all the way to your grave, but you're still going to hell." He would also “kindly” put his hand on your shoulder and say, “my son, have you never read…..

1Co 12:6-12  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 

To which, Luke7_35 might respond, but, but, but, what about. And Paul would shout over to his friend, (2 Tim 4) “bring with thee the books, but especially the parchments. Luke7_35  the forum hogger is doing these people much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

Then, dear gentle, patient Paul would go on to exhort Luke7_35 to read further. . . .

1Co 12:28-31  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, Reply...

I just wish all media, journalists, reporters, etc.. would be completely unbiased, neutral.

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I take a different approach.  Bias in media is nothing new. The neutral media you speak of reminds me of the myriad of "golden ages" that each culture claims of its past.....i.e. they never were.

Today, to use an ESPN TV poker analogy: even if the cards are not flipped over......everybody watching from home knows what the player is holding.

And once that happens, is it (bias) even that relevant anymore?

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Also, just a survey of the people who post here indicates that NOBODY is getting their news from just the traditional sources.  Sure you may get info from FOX or CNN, but you also may have saw it first on Drudge or Huffington (both of which I avoid) or you just get a survey of the news from Google (or Yahoo or whatever) or often someone HERE posts something...... and then there are the dozens of radio shows that do influence the masses.

It seems to me that when it comes to a news topic, most everybody here knows both sides of the spin.

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Lastly.....bias is not the same as propaganda.  I don't mind bias (in an effort towards objectivity.) But I don't want my news dictated to me from either the RNC or the DNC.

they seem to all be on his side and they seem to promote him.

And I would probably disagree with this statement. 

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I must tell you that JackA has flogged this horse so much that I am a little wearied by it.

WW. you have to admit that it appears that the majority of the press are liberals

I agree.

and lean towards making BO look good.

No. I don't agree. 

Marilyn.  I would probably agree with the first part of your statement (but not as much as you would think) and definitely not agree with the second part.

I think that you, Marilyn, could be conservative and still report as best you could.  After a few hundred stories, I bet I could guess your bias.  But to me, it wouldn't invalidate your reporting.

There is an undue amount of emphasis placed on it. And because so, it prevents communication.

Is he or isn't he, that is the question.  I am sure this writer may have a biased opinion, but he also is closer to the situation than we are out here.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1128020

Here is the AP's politically correct version(slant) which is slightly different from the C&P I did yesterday.

http://worth-reading-blog.blogspot.com/2010/08/ap-orders-staff-stop-using-phrase.html

Big letters to me is yelling!  Grant's joke where he was eventually down to a word or partial word per line, now that was slow reading!!

So, did you write the word "isn't" just to see what reaction you would get?

I would not be in that population, but it isn't important to seperate the religion from the perps. After criminals area criminals no matter race, creed, or color.

That should say

I would not be in that population, but it is important to seperate the religion from the perps. After criminals area criminals no matter race, creed, or color.

Oh, and I wasn't yelling, I was using big bold words sot it took people a little bit of time to read exactly what I was writing.

The problem lies in that the line is very blurry.  How does a population protect itself when you do not know which one is the enemy.  That is why they get lumped together in one group.  My hubby said it was like that in Nam.  They all looked the same and many times they were all the enemy.  the choice was death or defend against all possible enemy.

I know this is not to that point but how do we keep it from escalating to that degree.

I would not be in that population, but it isn't important to seperate the religion from the perps. After criminals area criminals no matter race, creed, or color.

Sick~O,  it is this population of which I speak:

A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship. But 80% are filled with violent literature, Sharia teachings, and promotion of Jihad and its inevitable concomitant terrorism.

Shoppegirl=

Just kidding,...

Seriously tho, I really don't know how much more could be done.  

 IT WAS MEANT FOR THAT BAD SHOPPEGIRL...

Anyway.... sigh..... yes, the muslims would be more respected by me if they would speak up,  the  90% that are GREAT PEOPLE......

Marilyn, you are totally innocent in this.  You don't have an agenda,  I thought I didn't either, but sicko thinks I do....

What part isn't true?

Afghanistan insurgency is backed with opium money. Insurgent on almost ever battle field have been found to be high on any number of drugs. Specifcally taylored to make them feel no pain and no fear. Think of it as half Columbian and half Iranian, run insurgency and terrorism.

This line "Who loosely use a prevert a religion and drugs to get their goals."

Should read " Who loosley use and pervert a religion and drugs to get their goals"

.WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MUSLIMS. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EXTREMIST AND TERRORISTS.

Who loosely use a prevert a religion and drugs to get their goals.

The kkk example works just fine, because are lumping one group of identifiable people with the evil extreme inside that group of poeple.

DO WE HAVE MORE PROBLEMS WITH KKK OR MOSLEMS TODAY, 2010?

If needed,  Me, Marilyn, and Taxi would take our butts and protest... (pardon ladies)... but there isn't a need right now.

If that phelps church group comes near charlotte, believe me I will go and protest them....

sicko you are wrong.

According to what I have been reading, well let me cut and paste one source.Most major banks and financial institutions offer Sharia Compliant Funds which have their investments vetted by the most fundamentalist and reactionary of clerics to assure that they advance Sharia Law. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the founder of the proposed Mosque, helps to prepare a Sharia Index which rates countries on their degree of compliance with Sharia Law. In the United Kingdom, many courts have recognized Sharia as the governing law on matters between two Muslims.

But there are non-Sharia mosques where peaceful and spiritual Muslims worship God in their own way without promoting violence. A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship. But 80% are filled with violent literature, Sharia teachings, and promotion of Jihad and its inevitable concomitant terrorism.

Which brings us to the ground zero mosque. There can be no doubt that any mosque organized and run by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf will be based on Sharia Law.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285695,00.html

Sunday, July 22 at 3 p.m. ET
Hosted by E.D. Hill

Tune in this weekend, as FOX News Channel presents the documentary the Public Broadcasting System didn't want you to see.

It's a film about the difference between moderate Muslims and the radicals who want to kill us. It asks where are the moderate Muslims and why aren't they speaking out against the jihadists? And it was financed with $675,000 of taxpayers' money.

It was commissioned as part of the PBS series "America at the Crossroads" about the post 9/11 world, but PBS executives rejected it.

PBS claims the filmmakers were "alarmist, overreaching and unfair."

The filmmakers say they were censored because of liberal bias at PBS.

On a topic this important, we think you have the right to decide for yourself.

OH, dear god, in that case both of you must be part of the KKK because you are white and haven't come out against it in huge protests....

That is a silly arguement, there are programs and organizations that are fighting extremism here and abroad. Whether or not you wish to acknowledge what is going on or not is your choice, but it doesn' t make it true.

Marilyn they do, it isn't their fault it isn't popular to show on the news.

Fox News showed the protest of Underwear Bomber.

Are you serious Marilyn, their entire organizations of Muslims against :Islamic Terrorism...

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.m-a-t.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zycGpRB10cA

60 minutes piece... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPkGGA9fZ8

That took under a minute to find this stuff.

Born	Todd Morgan Beamer November 24, 1968 (1968-11-24) Flint, Michigan
Died	September 11, 2001 (aged 32) Shanksville, Pennsylvania

Todd Morgan Beamer (November 24, 1968 – September 11, 2001) was a passenger aboard.......

I don't think his wife Lisa Beamer has spoken out about the Mosque at ground zero, but I often wonder what Todd Beamer would tell us if he were alive today.  I also wonder how many on this post  or in this America today would have taken the steps he took that day.

While we in the US may not go hungry the very poor amongst the world will. WE SIT HERE AND DITHER ABOUT SOME STUPID BUILDING. WAY TO GO AMERICA FOR KNOWING WHAT IS TRUELY IMPORTANT

Maybe the Muslims could forego the building and raise money for Pakistan and all the starving people in Africa and around the world.  Americas are known for their humanitarian work around the world.  And there is nothing wrong with spreading a bit of the heart felt effort over the survivors of 9/11.

Morning.     The Ha-Mosque issue is very important.   But as I was reading on   www.realclearpolitics.com  this morning   the bigger issue right now is  our  TOTAL NATIONAL SECURITY... its the pitts.  What can we do about that?

Well, I tried to get to sleep early but I seem to be wide awake so I got up to dig out Care II.  I like to know what all of you are up to so I think it is good to keep this thread alive.  Besides it is  getting big.  Shucks 91 pages..

Hubby is still having lots of pain, and the pain pills make him  real joy to live with.  NOT!  He is testy and real goofy.  Not himself at all.  He  normally has a great sense of humor but seems to have lost it for now.  He also mutters to himself all the time.  I think it is his thoughts but he is saying them....God help us.  Sometimes they are not so sweet.

Had some folks stop by to see us today.  Sort of distant relatives and it was nice to have some folks to visit with.  They brought us lots of garden produce.  Cucumbers and tomatoes, a huge zuccini and plums from the plum tree they have.  She also brought us some garden lettuce and some homemade strawberry jelly.  I love fresh produce so it is great.

Sorry, life is rather dull here these days so hope you all have some good times to report.  Maybe Theresa will read this and find a good Wal mart picture so I can have a laugh. 

Sleep well my friends.  Gonna try again to get to sleep.

Later all! 

Nice PR stunt by Hamas.

So as thing really begin to destabalize in the Middle East, Iran getting nuclear fuel soon. Saudi Arabia has ordered 84 F-15's and 72 Blackhawk helicopters. China has taken sides with Iran, and have begun war rhetoric with the US. Russia continues to burn, while Pakistan floods, and soon Russia could have nuclear fallout issues again. Because of  nuclear sites that are close to burning down. A food shortage is in the making, everthing from oranges, to wheat, to seafood. While we in the US may not go hungry the very poor amongst the world will. WE SIT HERE AND DITHER ABOUT SOME STUPID BUILDING. WAY TO GO AMERICA FOR KNOWING WHAT IS TRUELY IMPORTANT....

Opps,  someone forgot to tell me and many Christians I know?   LOL

(it hasn't passed away)

Very cameo  :(   HOw much did they pay Bruce to spend 4 minutes in a movie and say  F 5 times??   A million?  two million?   And arnold, even less time, but he was funny.

Movie like most movies today was very hard to make out the words.   It was pretty good.    Glad I went..

But need more Bruce.

I will admit that it was Bruce Willis that made me want to see it.  We are going tonight,   $5 per ticket is ok...

Inception...  saw it again,  gained so much more by seeing it twice...   do it on the big screen, don't wait for redbox...

I am going to check the language before I go on www.screenit.com    sometimes, I just can't watch certain movies with hundreds of  F words...

What the hell is video???? Just kidding around!

The shoot'em up explosion movies are fun...

BTW, I got to see The Other Guys this weekend and thought it was Will Ferrell's best performance since Anchorman!

If it has Bruce Willis in it, then I figure its worth a shot. 

Really? I thought the movie looked fun! I was actually wanting to see it....

I am interested in Devil (M. Night Shamalyan movie)

The Last Excorcist

That said The Expendables looks like a fun shoot'em up movie.

Quilts?  Now I am sure we have to meet Curly, in NC, so you can show me how to quilt.  :)    I so enjoyed our phone conversation..

That was a great idea about trading in the pacies... I bet you could send that into a Parenting magazine and they would post that story...

Pacies are always good for getting kids to sleep, but so hard on the teeth.

My Andrew (now 9) used to love to put 2 in his mouth and then laugh ... I have the pic, I will find it.

Take care and good night cyber ladies  and grant, and sicko.

GRandkids are fun aren't they?  I love being a grandma.  We have a little boy move in down the street from us.  He has no family here and calls us grandma and grandpa.  He has the biggest sky blue eyes I have ever seen.

Monday is our little GAvin's birthday.  He will be 3.  What a sweet little guy.  He said he wants a candle for his birthday to make a wish.  What he really got was a Escalaide.  One of those cars that run on batteries.  His Daddy decided to get it for him, but first he had to gather all his pacifiers and trade them in on it.  He told him that he had to pay for it with all his pacifiers.  He did it.  He took them in a baggy to Toys r us in FArgo and gave them to the lady (plus Daddy's credit card) and he got to take it home.  He has not cared one bit for the pacifiers.  He is hard to get to bed now though.  Was easy before, guess he knew when he got his pacifier it was time to sleep.  Now they need a new signal.

I will look at your facebook pics Shoppe.  Thank you for your kind words.  I am looking forward to the day we can meet.  Son is taking the job in NC it looks like so maybe it will not be long.  He will start but will be a while till the family moves.  It will work out I am sure. 

Well, back to my quilt.  I am working on one for our nephews new baby.  He was born July 16th.  He is the forth boy in the family.  They have 4 boys, all under the age of 4.  The oldest two are twins and will be 4 on Oct 19. Now that is a crazy household. 

I am also working on another quilt like I made our son.  I am making it for the party the guard is planning for the troops in Bismarck.  It is the welcome home party for troops and families.  I think on facebook I have a picture of the first one and this one is like it.  If I knew how to cut and paste better I would put it over here so you could see it.  It will be a door prize at the party. 

Well, later all!

What did we ever do without you Curly... You bring such fun to this talk forum, and to my facebook.

Tell hubby we all hope he gets well soon,    and grouchy,  well grouchy is something you just have to live with I guess... no pill for that.  LOL

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Go to my profile and you will see pics of my grandkids.  Anyway the 6 yr old had soccer practice today.   They scrimmaged some older kids, and the older kid accidently hit Nathan pretty hard in the chest with a ball..

When Nathan got home he said  someone kicked a ball and it hit him in the heart, but its ok cause he can still feel it "bumping".... Kids are great. :)

Yup Tax, they have pills to help that problem too and we have

learned to be "proactive" and anticipate the no go situation. 

He has a twin brother and he was just on the phone with the same warning.  Thanks to you all once more.  What did I ever do withour cyber friends  say....  10 yrs ago??

Gee willikers,  talk about typos and mistakes.  I must be in a zone or something. 

Yes, it is good news Shoppe, but he is still pretty grouchy.  Not much fun to be here.  I think it is the pain meds that do it to him.  They are like depressents and make him real negative.  Better days ahead though.  I try to keep a positive attitude.  Now, I am positive he is grouchy!!

Whew, I brought him home about 20 min ago,  He wanted to go luck at his bike and see how bad it was damaged.  it looks better then he does, that is for sure.  Damage is mostly cosmetic but since it is older it will be totled. 

The doc at the hospital gave him a clear bill fo health.  Said his heart is okay.  Some small amount of fluid on the lungs from the trauma but will lessen in time.  He will have to follow up with reg doc in about 10 days.  Soooo, now he is back home.  Hope it goes better then the few days after the accident.  Was not good.

SiCo, boy that could have been bad with the fire like that.  Glad you caught it in time. 

Later, gotta go for now.

My goodness Curly!  I hope he recovers soon!

not much is going on here.. took rugrat to his "little" school today.  He wasnt sure what to think of it at first but he made three little friends. Last nite he met a few more kids n rode bike with one of them too.

Well on wednesday we were moving from the place and in the morning my landlord calls n asks if I am cleaning my oven because there is a burning smell. I said no I had cleaned it about two weeks before. So we went to get the tv after I got off work and the smell was still there and from what I hear it was a little stronger.  My husband started to get sick from it and so did my neighbor. She was looking pretty weak so I called the landlord to see if they could send her somewhere else til the smell went away. Well the landlord was not around so I had to relay info to his wife.. she finally found the other landlord and I guess he went up to check on the building.  There was a cigarette that had made a huge flowerpot smolder.. it melted on to the carpet or something.. n almost made it to the wall. If I didnt call when I did my neighbor said.. the apartments would have went up.

Curly,  I can't believe it!   Keep in touch, let us know how he is doing..

vivian

Hey everyone,

WEll, today was another FUN day....NOT

I took my hubby to the hospital at about 4:00am .  I still am not sure what is wrong with him.  He had what sounded like croup during the night.  He is very short of breath and his feet are full of fluid.  They admitted him right away and are doing heart tests to see if anything is wrong.  They are giving him treatment for his lungs too.  They say he does not have pneumonia.  SOOoo, I am tired and he is crabby, I came home so he could rest and so could I. 

MOre when I know more.

Curly

Hey Cougar I mean Curly..lol kidding..  Hey everyone!

Well we are finally in our place. Its been a very long couple weeks moving stuff.. i still have a closet full of boxes to go thru. I ended up throwing more stuff away... now i get to go shopping for more clothes yay!

Rugrat is adjusting fairly well to his new place.. now to find him some kids to play with! He is going to go to daycare tomorrow there.. I think unless his dad can take him!  Its alot more expensive then his regular daycare though. Decisions Decisions.

My yahoo is not working.. but fb is.. so if you guys wanna text me...go for it!

I have yet to camping this year, and I really want too. I haven't even been able to spend too much time playing at Devils Lake. Hope you have Shoppe!

Theresa, that is great news, I think I am going to grow a forest of black walnut trees for a retirement program!

Hey ladies and a couple guys... :)

Had a great morning.. swimming party with the grandsons for a friends birthday.  I haven't been in a pool for a couple years,  water was great, had lots of fun.

still in the high 90's so there is a heat alert out.   Nothing new.

Aug 20, 21, 22 will be camping in the state forest of Wva for a family reunion.  My husband , daughter and her two little are going.  They are looking forward to camping in a tent and cooking out for the first time.  Banjo picking is the entertainment.  really. :)  Cousin Dale and his band.

hope you are all well....

vivian

Neon,  Postman is a must see. 

I don't mean Waterworld is my altime fav or Costners, but i really enjoyed it enough to buy it and watch it several times.

Enjoyed Depp in Alice... pretty kewl.... Depp in  PIRATES was awesome , except the last PIRATES WAS WORTHLESS... We  had taken some friends that were visiting us to see the latest Pirates, and we were all stunned, it was so absolutely dumb and not well made at all..

Waterworld is probably a cult type film...

Like  Princess Bride, you are either a fan of this tongue in cheek drama/comedy or you hate it.... no middle..

I was listening to the sports radio a few days ago and for some reason in an off-topic conversation, the caller wanted to know:  Why is Johnny Depp always choosing roles in which he will wear white makeup?

So in my mind, I started going through a few movies in my head:

Donnie Brasco (no......awesome movie), Alice in Wonderland (yup), Sweeney Todd (yup), Pirates of Carribean (no), Wonka (eh....no, but it feels like he is), Scissorhands (yup). 

Hmmmm, maybe something to that. 

I like alienware computers but they are so damned expensive, especially when you can get computers that  either are the same or better for less. You are however buying a quality computer from the US. The one I sold had the biometerics which is great especially if it is stolen, because the entire hdd was locked up.

I hadn't heard of that tutor place I shall check it out.

I was known to have picked up a cougar or three in my day...
(don't worry ladies I promise to be decent!)

MY BLACK WALNUT IS DROPPING WALNUTS!!!!! Now just to get to them before the squirrels do!.

My son makes about $600.00 a week tutoring kids on line. There is a big process to become a tutor, all you have to be is smart. Kids from 1^st grade to Masters degrees need help. There are many parents to use it to help there kids with school work. You don’t need a degree, you just need to prove you have qualifications to tutor some one. My son tutors Math, he is qualified all the way up to nano quantum physics, but he will still tutor a 1^st grader if they need help. He logs on to the computer, and tutors when he has off time, and he gets paid, weather you tutor anyone or not. He signs on and plays the 360 waiting for someone to need help. You seem so smart, extra bucks is a great thing.

Shoppe and Marilyn it seems like all is well with you both. Shoppe good luck with the chicken it sounds great. It must be nice to have grandkids, I don’t think I will see any for a long time, with the help of God. I think they will cut me off.

I love you all, still seeing double, but who cares.

Theresa

For Shoppe

"Say What"

Tax,   love dances... anyway....  POSTMAN AND WATERWORLD were also very long, but I own them too, watch them alot... especially POSTMAN.

that tatoo movie, I will probably skip, not into  freaky movies..

Johnny Depps  "rear window" (?) was also freaky... not at all what I expected.

SICKO... i will believe when I see (feel) it.... its still in the high 90's and I don't see any change.. :(

I will try that  crockpot chicken / salsa this week.. thanks

yes, you need to stop in everyday and not just once a month.. :)

cyber ladies... hey... have a great day...    loveyall

I really must remember to post in hear more often (it's really been a month since I posted in here????)...

Si Ko, we have held off on buying house until we figure out my school stuff. The relatives live down in Brookings, SD

Shoppe, here is that reciped with the black beans, rice, salsa, and chicken...

Cook Time: 3 hours

Total Time: 3 hours

Ingredients:

• 1 can (15 oz) black beans, rinsed and drained


• 2 cans (15 oz) whole kernel corn, drained


• 1 cup bottled thick and chunky salsa, your favorite


• 5 or 6 skinless, boneless chicken breast halves (about 2 lbs)


• 1 cup shredded Cheddar cheese

Preparation:

Your facebook photo looks like you are probably a cougar.  :)    Or at least could be if you wanted too...

Tell hubby to get well soon.

Oh GOSH, that did sound bad did it not?  I meant privacy FROM each other. 

He is a young man (32) and what need would he have for an old lady?  He is like a son and I washed his cuts and bruises and gave him a couple of rides home when he needed to go home and did not want to.  He is a great guy and he is someone our son loves like a brother he never had or will have. 

Too Funny Marilyn!!!  My mind never seems to run in those directions these days.   Must be old age.......    :o)

Curly,  first time I have gotten on since I got back.. I am so sorry for your husbands accident!   I cannot believe this.   Sounds like a defect in the bike as you say, and nothing else.

Hope he gets well soon.   We love you guys...

Hi to all of you cyber friends!

Last Friday I packed up and took off for Fargo.  One of our son's friends from jr. high and high school rode along with me.  Was so nice to have him along.  Son was so glad to have him.  I think the reconection was great.  They spent time just visiting and laughing, talking and tipping a few.  (beers)

There was a party that was planned by daughter in law for Sat night.  I wanted to attend so bad.  I found someone to help take care of my hubby so I could leave.  One of our neighbors and a niece took some looks in on him and I sure did appreitiate it. 

Got to go to the party and had a great time.  It was HOT and VERY humid.  If sweat were gold we could all be rich.  There were about 40 people there.  I was glad to go back to our motel and cool off.  Stayed at a super 8 suites in Fargo.  Was great because there were two bed room areas so son's friend and I had privacy and could split the costs. 

Came back home yesterday and checked on my patient, he was fine but just as grumpy as when I left.  I think I will go again.  :o)  I hope better days for him are soon coming.

Now on to some laundry and house work...

Hope all of you had a nice weekend.

When he heals up... tell him its better to take dirtbikes in the ditch instead of harleys ;) when he gets to feeling better and we have settled we will have to have lunch on a weekend. who knows.. i may come up n take a ME day again.  Missin the 5 n 7.. know wut i mean Curly??

So.. rugrat is missin us too much so him n papa headed out in papa's "Bumblebee" car (papa has a trans am!!)  Rugrat loves transformers so any cool car he thinks transforms.. especially mustangs or any car with stripes or spoilers. He saw a yellow charger one day with stripes parked n he said.. we have to find SAM WIKWIKI cuz bumblebee cant transform!! he is so funny!

Mom went to see princess n my tiger. she got there last nite :)

well off to keep on movin!!

Well, the concussion was very slight and has not been the problem.  It is the ribs.  Like you said every move is a torture.  I feel bad about missing our son's return.  I spoke with him earlier, he is crabby.  Maybe it is for the best.  :o)

I don't like when people crab at me.  I spose it will take time to readjust to his regular civilian life. 

Thanks Marilyn for your well wishes.  Have a nice weekend.

Thank you Tax.  Yes, was son's first deployment and we HOPE the last, but it may not be.  We are very thankful it was to Kosovo and not to Afganistan or Iraq.

Yes re-entry can be a war of it's own and he has been isolated and by himself much of his year away.  He has already told me it will be hard to readjust to being with the children.  They are great little ones but....make noise and mess and love to play and laugh.  I know he will be fine but will require time and understanding.  I wish I could go see him as it has been over a year now, but what will be will be. 

My husband has had lots of experience with pain meds cause of his back injury of the past.  He takes a med just for the problems you mentioned.  We are hoping to avoid the problem.  No fun.

Six weeks huh????  they told us 3-4 at the hospital.  Liars!  :o)

six weeks of pain with broken ribs.  It is nasty.  every breath causes pain and then if that isn't bad enough the awful side effect of those pain pillsget him lots of fiber, water prunes.....

Was this your son's first deployment?  Will this be his last?  Let him know we all happy that he is back home safely.  Rentry can be a war all of its own.  Uff. 

Thank you, all of you for your supportive words.  It is kind of rough here at my house.  He is in incredible pain.  Even his back surgeries were not this tough.  Every time he moves, that rib flexes a little and he just groans with the pain.  He is on a meg dose of pain meds but still does not cut it.  I wish there was more that can be done for broken ribs, but there is not.  Getting up and down from bed is the worst.  Right now he is on the couch.  He can roll to the floor and then stand from the couch.  Well, this too shall pass.  That is a phrase I have used for years when the going get tough.  Most of the time things get better.  Do you folks ever wonder why one person or family has to struggle so much?  He has sure had to suffer with so much pain over the last few years.  I feel so sorry for him. 

Not sure if I will be able to go to our son's party.  His wife is hosting a party for him tomorrow night.  He is home and we spoke with him yesterday.  He sounds glad to be there but I think the kids aremaking him a little crazy.  He is not used to the noise of children and kind of got used to his quiet.  He did not say so but I could tell. 

I have a neice here in town.  If she can come and watch out for hubby, maybe I will go to FArgo.

WEll, will report in later. 

Oh no!  I am glad he is recovering nicely now. That had to have been scary to watch! Thats one thing I am scared of.. malfunctioning brakes!

You will see your son in time.  I think his kids need a lil time with him too right now. 

Thanks guys, I am thanking you for your well wishes.  I still am not sure he is home in FArago but I will call later in the day.  I think it was a very late night for him. 

Hubby is in lots of severe pain with the rib fractures.  Hope it will get better soon.  I will do my best to make him comfortable. 

He is home here with me now, with two broken ribs and a mild concussion and split lip with stitches and some major road rash on his left side, arm, elbow, and forehead.  He also has one other thing as do I,  a VERY greatful heart that he is okay and all will heal.  I think he is done riding motorcycles though.  He tried it years ago and had a couple of close calls then too and it is now a thing of the past. 

As for his back and the accident?  He said it does not hurt anymore then it did before.   We are so glad he did not get to our son's house and then have a child on with him when te brakes malfunctioned.  Now that could have been very bad.  I am having a hard time sleeping tonight.  I have some pretty vivid memories of the horror unfolding in front of me.   My patient is sleeping okay but he has some pretty good meds to help with the pain and it is making him sleep pretty well. 

Needless to say, we never got to see our son coming in from Kosovo.  I will keep you all posted on when that will happen.  What a story huh??

Well, hyou all are not gonna beleive this one.  It is almost more then you can imagine.

A while back my husband bought a motorcycle.  Thinking it is something he could do.  Not too physical and still something he has always enjoyed.  He has had many enjoyable rides around town and out to Burlington and back.  He is always so careful and cautious I thought he was doing so well and he was.  Since his back issues mainly include the inablility to lift anything over 20 lbs and not being able to sit well, he at least could do some riding around town.  He decided that since his back was doing pretty well of late, he would ride the bike down to Fargo so our son could have it a few weeks upon his arrival back from Kosovo.  We left yesterday morning from home here in Minot, everything was going well.  He rode and I was behind him.  He was having a great time and he stopped by Sawyer and took OFF his helmet cause it was too tight.  He needs to purchase a bit larger one and did not realize it grown smaller as he has gained about 20 lbs since he last wore it.  He was feeling fine though and all was still well.  got back on the bike and rode to Velva and just on the east side of town, we came upon a uhaul truck and he slowed a little and I noticed him stuggling to keep the bike on the middle of the lane.  What had happened is the front brake caliper (I think that is what it is called) and he could not use the brakes.  As he went over the rumble strip at the side of the road he kept braking and struggling with this.  Within seconds he was to the side of the road and down in the ditch, still upright but struggling to keep it so.  He then hit the back brakes as hard as he could to slow it down as much as possible, knowing soon the impact would come.  the tail end of the bike started to come around and threw him clear and then the bike rolled a couple of times.  I am behind him seeing all of this.  You can imagine my horror.  I stopped the pickup I was driving, ran to him and did not know what to expect.  He was winded and in shock.  spoke to him and he could answer.  I called 911 for help.  Soon some folks from Canada stopped to help, they were on motorcycles too.  Then the highway patrol was there and decided to call the ambulance since I had told them he did not need one.  He is bleeding from his lip but that was all I could see.  Had some road rash on his arm and forhead bleeding as well. 

The ambulance came and decided he needed to be xrayed and have the lip stitched up and transported him to Trinity.  I followed in the truck.  OUr neighbor came and got the bike and hauled it into the Honda dealer for appraisal.    

Native American characteristics, yep.  I would forget about  the base and it was jarring each time we were returned to it.  That reminded me of 'Never Ending Story'. 

Dancing with the Wolves was a lonnnng movie.  One evening on Peds a 3 y/o little girl and I sat straight through the entire movie.  She was my only patient that evening.  When it was all over, she quietly clapped and asked if we could watch it again.  Another evening a little 5 y/o who had 'violet episodes' sat quietly on his bed in his room and watched it in its entirety. 

I would watch it again.....particularly after I get a hi-def TV [I've been waiting until we move to another house to get one].

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You know.....as much as we talk about politics and the finer points of argument, it is movies like Avatar that implant themselves in the consciousness and move opinions far more than these debates.

Ironically, the real cartoon-y portrayals are of the capitalists and military....not the animated Navi.  But when it is done in such a way, I don't think such portrayals endure.  But the care that was put into telling the story of that planet will. 

It is the imagery that is the real star of the movie.  Whenever we leave the forest and go back to the base or to the laboratory, it was a necessary disappointment.  Similar to other movies when you leave a great story line and have to put up with the lesser concurrent back-story.

That message of interconnectedness and holistic approach to the life of a planet is what is implanted. And the filmmaker did a great job of telling that story.

my 2 cents....maybe less.

Neon, I also think it was a one time movie.  Mostly because after I saw it on the big screen, watching it on DVD will just not be the same.   And the scenery is why I loved the first one..

so, Neon,   we agree again.

Dances with wolves... own it , watched it at least 10 times over the years, never grows old. 

Morning...

I will be gone a week or so, back to wilmington, nc... HOpe I am missed of course.   Have to run and pack, just found out 10 minutes ago, as usual...

You would think I was a SPY or something with my suitcase always packed and my Jaguar filled with gas.... LOL

I am so happy for you and your son's safe return!!! I am scared of dentists.

We should be all moved in by the end of the week. We are going to load a few more boxes tonite n tomorrow n get the big stuff moved this weekend. Then to clean carpets. I am almost done cleaning the walls.. I didnt think dust accumulates there but.. it does! it wasnt alot a really really thin line and I could leave it.. but then it wont smell as clean if i dont right?

Wuwie, Dances with Wolves was exactly what I said to my wife after watching it.   I always rate a great movie on whether I'd take the time to watch it again from start to finish.  It was a good movie but I probably wouldn't watch it again.  Unless of course I'm flicking thru the channels bored and start watching it halfway through ten years from now...which brings me to A Few Good Men...If I'm channel surfing and I come upon that movie I'm stuck till it's over...at least until the Nicholson vs Cruise scene is over anyways....lol

Hello, what a whirlwind I have been on.  Thought son was coming in on the 4th. Now seems like more then likely tomorrow late in the day.  We are having a big party for his return with lots of family and friends at his house in Fargo.  He did not really want a party but his wife insisted and he finally agreed.  He just wants quiet.  He said crowds of people make him nervous.  So we are leavin tomorrow.  I have been working like a crazy women all night to get ready. 

We will take my lap top so will more then likely be around once we are settled in our hotel room.

later all of you fine folks.

Grant, did you and Tim Conway write the skit??  I am still waiting for comedy central! toothhurdy-that is good!

The marijuana growers in California are not in favor of leagalizing it because they would have to fire the workers who are getting paid $20.00/hr to harvest their crops.... or reduce their wage to $7 or $8/hr because of the taxes.  Taxes are not the answer for our debt/deficit anyway. 

Legalize marijuana and we will have that many more driving under the influence.  I still say a conviction of a DUI  should lead to life long loss of the vehicle AND the privilege to operate a vehicle, period, end of subject.  And anyone who behaves as an enabler by loaning out their vehicle, will lose their privilege for  three years the first time and permanently after the second offense.  Either we are serious about this or we are not. 

Hey Flapps, how about marijuana hotels?

Hi ladies and Grant. 

Visited the dentist this morning.  I was very nervous, always am when its the dentist..  But I faced reality and said several friends are facing a whole lot worse than just a needle, so I did it and didn't chicken out.   I am pretty numb, but otherwise fine.  

Going to a $5 movie tonight at  11 pm.. last showing of a movie we want to see. 

Carrie (for whom this post started) decided to google songs with dentist, and found me a great  Tim Conway and a funny  Steve Martin  video on youtube.   Thanks Carrie... I think...

vivian

You have been missed.

Avitar.  My thoughts exactly.   Heavy on the anti war,  nice on the Chemistry.   The graphics were awesome.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/53643&start=2987&end=3062

Just a bit of politics in case you missed anything... FUNNY.

Still around.....I tried to jump in a few days ago, but a few of the topics did not have an opening for me to jump in.....and a few others would have required a lot time than I can afford at the moment.

I think I will be back in force after Friday.....I have a brutal (but scenic) drive I need to make through Southern Oregon this week to cover some appointments I have.

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I am the last person to see Avatar....saw it last night.    Surprisingly, I liked it.  Yeah, it was Dances With Wolves set in space, but for what its worth, the chemistry between to blue animated figures was better than 1/2 the on-screen couples we see nowadays.

A little to heavy-(left) handed, but it is Hollywood.

I wish I would have seen it on the big screen.

That was a good one Taxi.

go to  www.realclearpolitics.com  ... Palin said Win in Afghanistan or go home!  The American people need to know what Obama wants to do...

ITS 2010... THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR STUPIDITY..

How about the hardship of legal Americans?

I would think the congress would be up in arms about being bypassed, but all it does for them is save face with their constituents.  They can't be blamed for amnesty if they weren't 'allowed' to vote.  Who's idea was this?  PEE LOOOOW SEE?

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2010/08/obamas-amnesty-memo-arrogance-run-amok.php

http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2010/08/02/the-shallow-water-non-moratorium/

This is amazing. 

Wikileaks will have the info out on how to bypass the system in no time at all.

I'm not trying to be negative here, just presenting the facts.

Best wishes, Bill

Yes, I like the every 15 min breath test.   

If another person is found to have aided and abetted a drunk to drive, that person should be procecuted and jailed.  If a murder happens, then that person would also be guilty of murder, same as driver.

We have laws,  the laws are ignored, and people die needlessly.

Just follow the laws...

We are still talking about it on my local radio today.    Miss Fortenberrys untimly death....  very tragic.

They were talking about that device, but it also said many drunks will "pay" somone to breath into the device for them, then drive away drunk...  I still believe it would save many lives.

Ignition Interlock

As of July 1, 2009, the ignition interlock device will be mandatory for certain repeat DWI offenders in Minnesota. The ignition interlock program originally started as a pilot project in Hennepin County and Beltrami County. Due to the success of these pilot programs, the State Legislature made the move to mandatory programs in all Minnesota counties. At the time of the pilot project, Minnesota was 1 of 5 states that did not use the ignition interlock device in any capacity.

WHAT IS IGNITION INTERLOCK?

The ignition interlock device sits under the console or dashboard of your car and is connected to a blow tube that looks very much like a cell phone. To start the car equipped with an ignition interlock device, the driver must blow into the tube and hum for a certain period of time. If there is no alcohol detected from the driver’s breath, the car’s ignition will start and is ready for use. However, the driver is not done blowing. As the car is being driven, the device prompts the driver to blow into the tube every 15 minutes. These repeated blows are commonly known as “rolling tests” which make it harder for the driver to cheat the device. Some devices even take pictures of the driver blowing into the device at these 15 minute intervals. While not perfect, these devices are certainly here to stay and preliminary research indicates that recidivism is less than 10 percent.

HOW MUCH DOES THE IGNITION INTERLOCK COST?

The ignition interlock device requires a $90 installation fee plus a $5 per day fee while in use. There's also a $50 removal fee.

thank you for putting that up Marilyn.   This has been a tragic story for our community.

Yes, we need to do better.

http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=12868805

Laura Fortenberry, 17.. I think that website will show her photo.   sometimes its good to put a face with the crime.

The killer had to wear the ankle monitor for only 6 months, got it off and killed her.

We need new and stricter laws thats for sure.

New Minnesota DWI Law Signed by Governor

Legislation mandates use of ignition interlock devices in MN drunk driving cases

Governor Tim Pawlenty signed legislation calling for mandatory installation of an ignition interlock device for certain Minnesota DWI offenders. The new law allows those convicted of driving while intoxicated in Minnesota to recover their driving privileges if they agree to install the special device. An ignition interlock acts as a small breath tester, and a driver must provide a breath sample before starting the vehicle. If the sample exhibits alcohol above a pre-set limit, the ignition will become disabled and the vehicle will not start for a set period of time. The device also requires periodic retesting to prohibit a motorist from having someone else provide a breath sample.

Under the new Minnesota DWI law, drunk driving offenders who register a blood alcohol content at or above .16% (twice the legal limit) will be required to install an ignition interlock. Those who opt for the interlock device will have their full driving privileges restored immediately. Those who do not will have their driving privileges suspended for a period of 1 to 6 years, depending on the degree of the offense and other factors. Repeat offenders with three or more DWI arrests in Minnesota in a 10-year period will also be required to install the device.

Minnesota started an ignition interlock pilot program in mid-2009 that allowed more than 1000 motorists convicted of DWI in MN to regain their driver's licenses.

The Minnesota Department of Public Safety hopes the new measure will reduce the number of chronic drunk drivers on state roads, in turn reducing alcohol related traffic fatalities.

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The problem is that many DUI people continue to drive even though they have lost their license. Some of these people have numerous DUI's and have done time, and are so hopelessly addicted to booze that they get out of prison and continue to drive anything they can get their hands on.

Should I take no response as everyone deep in thought???  People talk with disgust or remorse about driving drunk.  I really don't feel loss of vehicular access for life as being too severe.  I take it that all of you out there do.  What do you believe we as a society can do to reduce deaths and injuries related to drunk driving accidents?

I think but for the grace of God goes many of us.  I did not do it often but I did do it a few times. I should not have driven when I had been drinking.  Now I seldom drink so it does not really apply.  If I ever do, I do it at home or a place when I do not need to go any place. 

Flapps, so it isn't industrial hemp that you want, is it?  You!!!!  Freedom does not mean 'free to do whatever you want'.  You know that, as well as I.  I am not going to speculate or discuss what our soldiers are fighting for.  A single loss of life or limb is tragic.  The marijuana growers in California are not in favor of leagalizing it because they would have to fire the workers who are getting paid $20.00/hr to harvest their crops.... or reduce their wage to $7 or $8/hr because of the taxes.  Taxes are not the answer for our debt/deficit anyway. 

But, onto the topic of drunk drivers.  We are a society that bad mouths drunk driving, but do nothing to stop it. 

I don't know, but I do know about having too much too drink (same carelessness)... in my young years...

A beautiful 17 yr old girl just got killed yesterday by a 3 time DUI man.   funeral tomorrow.... What a waste..

Flapps flapps.... are you trying to tell us you want us to grow Hemp for "paper" products?   :)   I think not.  Why are you trying to change the subject. 

JUST TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY WANT. 

That poor lady in her cutoffs looks about 85.... shouldn't there be a cut off point for cut offs?   LOL

Theresa, my prayers are with you to get better.    Fact.  Your dr said he would stop seeing you if you went to a chiro... fact:  you are still in pain after surgury by a non-chiropractic surgeon...

I would definitely find the best chiro around and go see him for x-rays and consultation.  

All non chiro drs hate chiro drs.(and probably visa versa).. its another fact.  But its unbased.   I go to both kinds of drs, and I just love my chrio... He is honest enough to know if he can't help me he lets me know, then I go have surgury.... My chiro cured my migrains, and fixed all my numerous out of joint injuries... But my chiro couldn't give me a total hysterectomy, of course, so I went to a regular lady surgeon and had that done.

I just got back from jury duty last week and I got very angry at one lawyer who tried to make all chiros out as the scum of the earth... Just to get his client off from paying a medical bill....

etc.

yes, its very hot, today is  98  high humidity....

Dentist Monday!!!!   I hate dentist, but this one is pretty painless, so at least I go.. I need a backtooth pulled... living on advil lately.... and no chiros can't fix my teeth either...LOL   haha....

I don't think they make much rope from hemp anymore.   I have no problem with the hemp farming. 

The majority of medical marijuana patients have phony symptoms and phony doctors.   I hope North Dakota doesn't ever pass it.

900 medical marijuana stores in LA

100 star bucks in LA

Hey DuWayne...Thanks for your input.  Hats off to the two ND farmers that want to plant hemp, but the DEA has the final say which is BS.  Every ND farmer that has not been totally brainwashed should plant a hemp seed., and tell Uncle Sap where it is.  Freedom?  A VietNam vet or any Veteran for that matter sitting in a wheel chair with no legs because of some stupid ass war and planted a hemp seed would be hauled off to jail.  Hello Freedom!  Genesis Chap 1, verse 29-31.  Of course Washington, DC,.aka District of Corruption/Confusion, says this is all BS.