Well, with any luck we will be at our house in Az tomorrow.  I am so glad.  It has been a long trip.  We left one week ago tomorrow and have will have put about 2400 miles on the car. 

Today, we went through Carlsbad Caverns.  It really was neat.  I think everyone should go if they get close to it.  I walked through most of it.  My husband took the handcapped trail and made it okay.  I walked the entire great room trail and I walked the 7500 feet that takes you into mouth of the cave.  It is almost straight down.  It really gives you a idea of how huge the cave is and how far down it goes.  Anyone else been there?

Theresa, I hope your surgery goes well.  I have a sinus problem.  I sometimes wonder if it is allergy induced or something else.  By the way, I told my hubby you got hearing aids from the VA.  How did you go about getting them?  He needas them but we don't have the 7000 at least to pay for them.  Are yours the digital ones?

WEll, gonna watch tv and hit the hay early.  We want an early start tomorrow.

Later Ladies and to all a good night.   

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I find it hard to fathom that when sports comes into the picture, that any tendencies of conservatism go down the drain.  That the state  would kick in "only" 10% is total fiction.  I can see government providing for roads, maybe, but that is not what is in the craw of true conservatives.  How in the hell DID players salaries get so damned high?  A huge contributor has been that governments, for the most part, has provided the facilities in almost every area, because owners KNEW they would have their facilities provided.

  When does it stop?  Maybe I like NASCAR........maybe the government should kick in the same percentages for that in every area that wants that venue also.  Just think of ALL the revenue it would bring in, with the hotels, restraunts........

Where do we stop this madness?  Billionaire owners, paying mega-millionaire players, demanding WE provide for them so they can make MORE.  3M is in Minnesota also, bringing in HUGE amounts of revenue compared to a sports team..........should we also began to build their buildings under the threat of leaving the state, I would say the Vikings pale in comparison to some of the larger businesses.

This has become one sick, sick business.  Just like this totally out of control government spending, this sick government obsession with providing for sports HAS to stop at some point...............we just cannot afford it anymore.

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Theresa... No black or white Friday for me.  Never have, never will. 

Lets talk NY.   I lived  in Bayshore and Brentwood Long Island for 3 yrs.  Love NYC... it was loads of fun taking the long island expressway into the City.   Young enough to get in trouble.. :)     And to have a ball. 

Never went to the Macys day Parade, but did shoppe in Macys alot.

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The Turkey fryer story is great, I am still laughing. I have known a few people in my life that have tried to fry a turkey in the garage. One person did not have a pulley system set up to take the turkey out of the hot oil. I think they had to call the fire department because they started a fire.

KX viewer, I also don’t travel, that is why I started this thread. We are five lonely people here in Minot. My family is in New York, my spouse his family is in Texas.

 I used to go to the Macy’s day parade every year. The train ride into the city was always so much fun, even though it was only 20 minutes. The best was the hot Chocolate and hot chestnuts from the street venders. I always remember the Snoopy float; it is always a staple of the parade. Then we would go home, Care I know what you are talking about with a mother with a hangover. Maybe we should start an ACOA (Adult Children of Alcoholics) thread for the holidays.

 Thanksgiving was always a fun time.

Who is going shopping on Black Friday? Who has a good story there, I have a ton.  I was talking to someone the other day, how in 1987 I stood in a line for 13 hours just for a chance to get a Cabbage Patch Kid. Only people with tickets were allowed to go into the parking lot to stand and weight for a helicopter to drop 300 cabbage patch kids. There had to be 500 people, I jumped over someone to get one then I tackled it and held it like a football close to my body. The funny thing is I did not even have any girls, it was for me.

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Hi everyone how are you today? I am good, thanks for asking, I also am having surgery in December.  For anyone in Minot that is reading this that has ear or sinus problems there is a new doctor at ENT at Trinity, he is marvelous. After years of pain he is doing sinus surgery on me.

 Curly that is a scary story with the cow poop on the car; do you know what I do all the time now? I carry my cell phone right next me and take photos of trucks and cars that are breaking the law, you should have called that truck in, that is not suppose to happen.  My prayers are with you and your husband every day.

KO you are nice not to take advantage of what is yours, do your kids with him have military benefits? When I was a First Sergeant, I was always on men to own to their responsibilities. Like your friend with the child of a military man, that child is entitled to a life time of benefits. Enough about that I was getting worked up sorry.

Marilyn if you are reading this I am sorry if I made you mad. This room is a separate forum; we all just dump our stuff.  Marilyn how about that bus accident in MN, and the today show had this story about boys hurting people for a YouTube moment.

Care do you have a map application on your phone? I do, I have a map of anywhere, and too bad I never go anywhere.  Keep the Shelbeast up with her school, make sure she knows she has to be smart in her life, and not have to depend on any man to take care of her. I tell my daughter that every day; she needs to focus on college and not her looser boyfriend. I tell her knowing how to play “Call of Duty” video game will mean nothing when in 10 years. She makes me so mad; don’t get me started on that one.

Shoppe, I love you so this is for you...

Hay how come we don't have a McDonalds in Walmart?

I like the Eggnog shakes.

See you later, Theresa

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Brock could have very easily died had he not come to Bismarck. Canada had not enough staff and had no idea what was wrong with him and why he kept getting sicker.

This is from the New York Post : http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_GCJDJyjiBPnoXPOkTu1x8L

CANADACARE MAY HAVE KILLED NATASHA
By CORY FRANKLIN
Last Updated: 3:51 AM, March 26, 2009
Posted: 2:47 AM, March 26, 2009
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COULD actress Natasha Richardson's tragic death have been prevented if her skiing accident had occurred in America rather than Canada?
Canadian health care de-emphasizes widespread dissemination of technology like CT scanners and quick access to specialists like neurosurgeons. While all the facts of Richardson's medical care haven't been released, enough is known to pose questions with profound implications.
Richardson died of an epidural hematoma - - a bleeding artery between the skull and brain that compresses and ultimately causes fatal brain damage via pressure buildup. With prompt diagnosis by CT scan, and surgery to drain the blood, most patients survive.

Could Richardson have received this care? Where it happened in Canada, no. In many US resorts, yes.
Between noon and 1 p.m., Richardson sustained what appeared to be a trivial head injury while skiing at Mt. Tremblant in Quebec. Within minutes, she was offered medical assistance but declined to be seen by paramedics.
But this delay is common in the early stages of epidural hematoma when patients have few symptoms - - and there is reason to believe her case wasn't beyond hope at that point.
About three hours after the accident, the actress was taken to Centre Hospitalier Laurentien, in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, 25 miles from the resort. Hospital spokesman Alain Paquette said she was conscious upon reaching the hospital about 4 p.m.
The initial paramedic assessment, travel time to the hospital and time she spent there was nearly two hours - - the crucial interval in this case. Survival rates for patients with epidural hematomas, conscious on arrival to a hospital, are good.
Richardson's evaluation required an immediate CT scan for diagnosis - - followed by either a complete removal of accumulated blood by a neurosurgeon or a procedure by a trauma surgeon or emergency physician to relieve the pressure and allow her to be transported.
But Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts is a town of 9,000 people. Its hospital doesn't have specialized neurology or trauma services. It hasn't been reported whether the hospital has a CT scanner, but CT scanners are less common in Canada.
Compounding the problem, Quebec has no helicopter services to trauma centers in Montreal. Richardson was transferred by ambulance to Hospital du Sacre-Coeur, a trauma center 50 miles away in Montreal - - a further delay of over an hour.
Because she didn't arrive at a facility capable of treatment (with the diagnosis perhaps still unknown) until six hours after the injury, in all likelihood by that time the pressure buildup was fatal. The Montreal hospital could not have saved her life.
Her initial refusal of medical care accounted for only part of the delay. She was still conscious when seen at a hospital and her death might have been prevented if the hospital either had the resources to diagnose and institute temporizing therapy, or air transport had taken her quickly to Montreal.
What would have happened at a US ski resort? It obviously depends on the location and facts, but according to a colleague who has worked at two major Colorado ski resorts, the same distance from Denver as Mt. Tremblant is from Montreal, things would likely have proceeded differently.
Assuming Richardson initially declined medical care here as well, once she did present to caregivers that she was suffering from a possible head trauma, she would've been immediately transported by air, weather permitting, and arrived in Denver in less than an hour.
If this weren't possible, in both resorts she would've been seen within 15 minutes at a local facility with CT scanning and someone who could perform temporary drainage until transfer to a neurosurgeon was possible.
If she were conscious at 4 p.m., she'd most likely have been diagnosed and treated about that time, receiving care unavailable in the local Canadian hospital. She might've still died or suffered brain damage but her chances of surviving would have been much greater in the United States.
American medicine is often criticized for being too specialty-oriented, with hospitals "duplicating" too many services like CT scanners. This argument has merit, but those criticisms ignore cases where it is better to have resources and not need them than to need resources and not have them.
Cory Franklin is a physician who lives outside of Chicago. 2009 Chicago Tribune; distributed by Tribune Media Services.


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The state will not finance the entire stadium. Some of you come in here spouting off and a situation you have no clue about.

Mr. Wilf wants to spend 3 billion dollar rebuilding that side of Minneapolis, but he needs the city to change roads, etc. The most that has ever been proposed that Minnesota pays is 10 percent of the cost and that was back in 2006 when the stadium was still in the 700 million range. The main issue is that no matter how the Vikings to proposed to pay, even 99.999999% the state denied it because they wanted the team to stay in downtown Minneapolis and would not pay for enlarging an off ramp to the new site.

So let me be clear, at no time has the Vikings even proposed the state pay a billion dollars. Even now the proposed stadium (because of inflation) is only 980 million dollars plus another one to two billion dollars will be put in to building surrounding area up with new and renovated buildings. The state has simply be asked to make feasible. Like moving the train lines to the according areas, improving and building new roads, and an updated electrical and sewer system.

BTW, on average people of Minnesota make 165 dollars extra during good years. The state makes 26 million a year just from the stadium. That doesn't include player taxes, sales taxes from hotel, rooms, business around the stadium, and shopping centers from people outside the state coming in.

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lol that is a funny story Curly. Thats happened a few times to me.  LOL the kids live on a huge hog farm n my ex told my son if anyone makes fun of the smell..you just take a BIG WHIFF n say..it $Mells like Money to ME!!! lol  That is a very tough smell to get used to! I havent seen her on here but I have seen her on Facebook! Reply...

What tax revenue, sick-o?  Would take a LOT of years of revenue to make up for a BILLION dollar stadium.......................... Reply...

Wuwei......Ah yes....home for the holidays.  That was our Christmas growing up....Mother was always "sick" (hungover) on Xmas morning....we would open presents but couldn't run around all happy with them.  I have to say though since joining my hubby's family.......Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter.....all very fun, relaxed and happy family oriented holidays.  My kids will have a lot of good childhood memories on that front.




Si....my problem with cooking in the oven is constantly wanting to open the door, check things out etc.....which isn't good because heat escapes...temp goes down and messes with cook time.  That Turkey that the oven was off the entire time....was the first time I FORCED myself not to open it for the first 3 or so hours.....I could have kicked myself in the arse for not doing my usual and opening the door about a thousand times in the first hour...LOL!

Shoppe...true story!  After posting...I told my hubby that Theresa started this thread....he just busted out laughing...he said you told the deep fryer story didn't you?  I started laughing and said of course....then he preceded to tell ME the entire story......LOL!!!  Hilarious! Reply...

That should be 30th of 32 teams in REVENUE... Reply...

The Minnesota Tax payer is going to foot the bill when the team leaves, once for the the tax revenue lost, and twice when the build another stadium to lure back the NFL.

Every other large business in every states get tax breaks etc to build and move there. This is no different.

Furthermore the Vikings asked for 1 percent at one point (The League and The Team would foot the rest of the bill). That one percent would have paid to tear down the Metrodome. They also proposed to buy the Metrodome for one dollar, tear it down and rebuild there, and pay for it themselves, and the State wouldn't let them. Wilf (Vikings owner) wants to spend about 3 billion dollars between his stadium and redeveloping that part of Minneapolis. The biggest slap in the face is when the Twins got a stadium passed and they only asked once. The Gophers also got a new stadium. Because of the stadium they are in the Minnesota Vikings are 30th of 32 teams in the NFL, despite selling out every game since 1998. Reply...

Why should state govt.s build stadiums for these teams, isn't that corporate welfare?  These team owners should build their own stadiums, they have all kinds of money to pay these atheletes these massive salaries.  It is not the resposibility of the taxpayer to build stadiums.  Govt.s rarely reclaim the revenues lost in stadiums. Reply...

Get in a big family argument in which some of the members won't speak to each other for about 4 months. Reply...

I just come from Monticello Sick and its Viking Mania.  They deserve a Super Bowl but not putting no money on it , i learned my 20 dollar lesson.  If i loose I dont loose much, and if i win i always wish i had bet more LOL Reply...

Hello everyone! 

Anyone heard from Marilyn?  I have not seen a post from her anywhere on the forum and a long time. 

Well, I have been on a roll.  We left last Saturday for Fargo.  We stayed there until Monday morning and then we left for Minneapolis to see hubby's doc.  They are making application to Workforce safety for him to have surgery.  I am not sure if it is the right thing to do but the poor man needs to get releif and it is the only thing anyone has really offered.  They will remove the metal from his spine and try to clean up L3.  If approved it will be in Dec some time. 

Then after his appointment was over, we left Minneapolis for AZ as a final destination.  We are driving down a old car we bought for our use down there.  It is an old Lincoln towncar.  It is a 1999 and it is really still a very nice car and is perfect for what we need it for.  It was cheap too. 

The trip has gone pretty well, except for the fact that he is miserable and pretty high on pain meds so he can stand the ride.  Right now he is passed out in bed and has been for about an hour and it is only 7:30 this time.  We are in New Mexico.  I hope to make it either tomorrow or the nxt morning.  We will fly back to Bismarck on Dec 2.  We will be there until the surgery is done or we will just fly back to Az for the remainder of the winter. 

Gotta tell you a funny story.  We were driving into a little town called Hampton Iowa.  It was just getting dark and I was driving.  It smelled like Pig, chicken cow dung and it was pungent.  Well, a truck is coming from the front and just as it went by, one (or more) of the animals releived itself and it hit our car big time.  I almost hit the ditch.  Hard to see through that stuff.  GROSS!  The next morning I took the car to a do it your self car wash and spent 10 bucks washing the yuk off the car.  I almost lost it cause I do not have a very strong stomach and that was about at the top of my limit. 

Well, sounds like you are all fine. Si Ko I know you are very sad and I feel for you.  Wish there was something we could do to ease your sorrow. 

Well, good night ladies.

bye

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That will teach for gamblin lol.

Seriously tho, the Vikings have been trying to get a deal done since the late 90's. Reply...

Sickbut I lost 20 bucks on the super bowl once with them , once bitten twice shy.  Reply...

They have had plenty of good years. They just haven't clinched it. The Vikings bring all sorts of money to the state. If they leave tax revenue is going to plummet.

Which means the people of Minnesota will picking up the tab on them. Reply...

I sure hope they dont push them Vikings into North Dakota we got enough dangerous Norsky's over here.  The reason the dome cost so much to begin with was they needed bigger fans to keep the ceiling up because they sucked so bad now after 1 good year , i repeat 1 good year means nothing.  Before the dome, they looked up for over 30 years and would see the Good Year Blimp and think it was a good year.  So is nice to see Minnesota is a little skeptical because you never know where Favre will retire to next year.

If they take the Super Bowel they will have to add a room

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