kx - it was not conservatism that caused the soldier to huddle and hide in shame for serving, it was the leftists then, and it is the leftists now.  When you've got the likes of John Kerry and Murtha and Reid calling our soldiers murderers and torturers and calling it a lost war, how would you feel if you were serving over there now?....... probably not much different than when you were in Nam. 

Wry is another story, I don't believe his attacks on me or others have anything to do with his serving, it's more of his unabashed love of liberalism, and he gets highly offended if you attack that agenda, and he takes it too personally.........

Wry , but I don't think jack is from that era, much younger.  He has no idea what it is to serve in a turbulent time.  Those who do not know is not their fault.  We havent done a good enough job of letting them know.  We huddled and hid in shame for serving .  It was not a time to be proud of serving,  I was still scared getting off the plane at home, I had seen the protests, the treatment of vets who did make it home.  I was scared of the public and the first thing I did was take the uniform off, and try to mingel in. Sometimes I am still trying to mingle in and not be noticed.

My son is 29 years old.  I remember him asking me about Vietnam once.  I didnt know what to say or tell him.  If I could talk about it in front of someone without crying tears of the things I remember seeing, and bringing me back to something I do not want to relive over and over and over again .   All I know they do not have the willingness to serve, they do not have the patriotism I had.   I was stupid and young and both my sons share the belief of life and not killing.  My youngest wont pick up a gun and that is fine in my eyes.  It shows me he is deaper in thought than I was at his age.  So maybe by not telling him what it was like was the best thing I could have done.  He has never asked me again and I think he knows by what I dont say rather than what I tell him.  I never tell them what to think about war and dieing.  

I'd rather just go fishing.

I appreciate the retraction WW.  

yes, its a big stick figure chicken paw print.  

Shoppe.....I stand corrected. I had been told a number of years ago that that is what it symbolized originally.  However, as I have just read, originally it was very ANTI-Christian. See: Nero's Cross.

I retract my above post.

Thats a sign of the trinity?

Happy turkey day you turkeys !  LOL

.......or trinity.