In regard to our $4,000.00 cost to install the power line, we are not serviced by Veryende(?) REC. We have a different REC.

Also, maybe part of the $35,000.00 installation cost may be for a transformer that needs to be installed for that particular installation?

Contact the engineering dept. of the REC and ask them for an itemized cost listing (labor, transformer, trench or poles, etc.) of all the expense entailed to connect this property to power. Send the request by letter to avoid any miscommunication with a telephone call. Send a map of the proposed extension line. Indicate what you plan on using for electrical usage (house, shop, high voltage motors, etc.).

$35,000.00 seems like alot for an installation. Ask for the itemized cost listing and see where the expense is.

Proud Veteran,   First off, Thanks for your service to our country. IT is appreciated!!! I do happen to agree with parts of your statement. I also do believe there has to be some regulation. WHen these people bought this house it had been abandoned for a couple years. IT still had power lines run to it at that time. WHen the new owners bought it, the electrical company should have stated to them up front and been more forth coming about the costs involved before they made there property value zero. I know on my electrical service, which happens to be Verendrye ( and they are darn good) they have a monthly charge for a disconnected meter. But they dont tear down the line and then say if you want power it will be 35 grand. As always I appreciate yours and everyones comments.

If you wish to have keep electric service at a rural location (farmstead, etc.), you need to continue to pay the monthly meter fee, whether you use electricity or not.

Once the power meter is shut off, the REC will catorgorize your electric service as non-operational and after a preset time, take down the line and poles.

I had a overhead power line in my yard removed and paid $1,100.00 to have it buried. It cost money, but having a buried power line was less hassle when I build my garage.

At our hunting shack, the power lines were removed one year before we bought it. We had to pay $4,000.00 to have the service reinstated. We opted for an underground power line to be installed to keep from interfering with farm machinery in the fields. Even though we had to pay this $4,000.00, we had a new line and meters installed. An expensive investment, but will pay for itself over the future years. 

In my township, our zoning regulations REQUIRE any non-operational power lines and poles be removed in a certain time period at the expense of the REC. Therefore, it may be a zoning regulation that requires this.

It takes considerable amount of time, effort and expense for a REC to maintain its lines. If a rural location is used (or going to be) and currently has REC power, then pay the meter fee to keep the service intact.

The cost to a REC to maintain the line has risen dramatically, particularly since aluminium and copper prices soared. 

If every farmstead could keep its electrical power intact without paying the meter fee, then the customers that paid the fee for service pay to maintain your lines that are not being used.

If you want to keep the electrical infrastructure at your property, pay the meter fee. 

Jack A.  Morning,  I like what you have to say..

Is it true that  NANCY PELOSI has some ties to T.BOONE PICKENS and his wind company?    If so, she should excuse herself from the DRILLING DEBATES... :)

DRILL NOW, DRILL OFTEN....... DRILL

.....he'll be a pickins' your pockets just like ol' mike here wants to do.........

come see t boone the scam artist, another in the mold of algore.

read up on some of the pickins clan's scamming:

http://patgray.com/home/?p=2073

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Hello again Jack,

Ethanol does produce more energy than it usess to produce unless you add in the energy cost for making the tractors and all equipment associated with agriculture, and delivering that equipment.   Again the current production of ethanol is helping to extend our non-renewable oil sources and helping to avoid even more dependence on foreign oil where 60% is currently imported.

When you consider the total cost for oil, perhaps we should include all the costs for the US to protect the oil supply in the Middle East and other parts of the world that do not have our best interest at heart?   This is General Chuck Walds concern as well as former CIA Chief James Woolsey. 

I agree with the legislators that want to encourage another refinery in ND to help avoid the high costs of shipping crude out of ND then shipping gas and diesel back in again after it's refined in other states.  We'll need to conserve and make the best use of all our energy resources, non renewable and renewable. 

Merging non renewable energy with more clean, home grown, terror free, renewable energy extends those non-renewables, it helps make our fossil energy more marketable as our energy customers in other states want a higher mix of renewables, it also helps them burn cleaner, and it's good for national security by reducing our dependence on foreign oil. 

Our ND utilities understand this, that's why they're investing millions in wind and biomass energy projects.  Making better use of our resources,  and diversifying our energy sources and products is good for business and good for North Dakota.

Here's a segment of an article from Great River Energy on the subject:  http://www.connexusenergy.com/GRERenewables%20position%20statement.pdf

You know, Mike, the push for ethanol started long before the rise in oil prices.  Why?  It had nothing to do with anticipated high prices, anticipated shortages, or giving us "choices".  What was that reason?  It WAS all about giving the farmers another market for their products. 

What sense does it make to "grow " a fuel when it takes essentially as much petroleum energy to grow and produce as energy derived from the end product?  Oh, I forgot, it puts money in your pocket instead of the Saudis (has to be the definition of "home grown fuel").

More on this ethanol sham:

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Ethanol-Largest-Scam6jun03.htm

Mike, there you go with your propaganda again.  You keep saying we need "choices".  The consumer does not have a "choice"  because you, your cronies, and liberal Republicans like your idol Pawlenty ( one of your top ethanol mafia enforcers) MANDATE we use it.  It's great the media is uncovering this biofuel scam.

How many tens of thousands of acres did you help cut down today, Mike?  Just so you can make a buck on this scam.

Read what a scandal this ethanol is:

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view.bg?articleid=1091934&srvc=home&position=also

Good to hear from you again Jack! 

Now gas is averaging $3.73 across the nation and oil hit an all time high of $126 a barrel where 60% of it comes from foreign countries.  The oil cartels and multinational corporations don't seem to be "competing" too well, but it's keeping the shieks happy.  

With more development and improvements in technology, people will have more fuel choices to use more home grown, terror free, alternative fuels.  

Here's an article from MSN NBC today:  Many analysts have predicted prices will surge much higher, and may breach the psychologically important $4 level on a national basis within the next couple of months. Prices are already that high in many parts of the country.

Some analysts are beginning to question whether gas prices will follow their typical pattern of peaking around Memorial Day, then declining through the summer.

“Retail prices aren’t going to decline as long as any part of the energy complex is heading higher,” Ritterbusch said.

Retail diesel prices rose 2.9 cents Tuesday to a national average of $4.39 a gallon, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. The high price of diesel has helped drive up costs for goods and services throughout the economy. 

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SG- it just riles me to the core what scams these snake-oil people are getting by with.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=aSVm3V6ipm8I

Mike, it must really be upsetting to you and the "sustainable" ilk that the media is FINALLY coming out with the truth on ethanol and biofuels.  And just because YOU and your industry says these scams are not affecting food prices means nothing.  The "sustainable" industry is big time into the game of if you say a lie enough times, it becomes the truth.  Your industry IS a lie and the mainstream media (liberal as it is) is finally reporting it.

Catch up on these scams, Mike won't give you the truth:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=aSVm3V6ipm8I